The 24-year-old was born in Phoenix and is a member of Arizona’s Salt River Pima-Maricopa Indian Community. She was booked into the Polk County Jail in Des Moines, Iowa, where she currently lives, in September for allegedly driving with a suspended license. Jacobo was scheduled to be released on Nov. 11, but what should have been a routine process was complicated and delayed by an erroneously issued ICE detainer. She was ultimately allowed to leave just before 4:30 a.m. on Nov. 12.
wait…they kept her in jail for 2 fucking months just for a suspended license?
“routine process” 2 FUCKING MONTHS FOR A SUSPENDED LICENSE!?! and the article is all “yeah but because of ICE she had to spend ONE MORE DAY in jail”
fuck all this shit. US, get your shit together man.
OP linked to a shitty article. I just read another that said it was for probation violation and the license thing.
there’s a solid chance it’s sovcit nonsense
these guys are AMAZING at turning what ought to be a citation and a fine into a full blown arrest + jail time via being generally disruptive, uncooperative, wasting the court’s time on complete legal nonsense and overall idiocy.
There’s -several- youtube channels making a living out of reporting and commenting these cases.
Or it could be the normal nonsense Native Americans still deal with.
I mean Native American tribes are literally sovereign nations within the US so I’ll give them a pass if that is what it was.
Regardless please explain under what circumstances it is necessary to not only take someone’s freedom for 2 months but to also have the tax payers pay for their detainment all over a suspended license?
This whole long drawn out argument you two had could have been completely skipped if you two had read the article. She was in jail for violating her probation from a previous sentence.
I was more so arguing against his idea that being difficult with the police means you deserve 2 months or more in jail. That’s just ludicrous
It’s not necessary to keep them 2 months in jail, they do it to themselves.
Normal people, when they get arrested by a police officer, provide their ID, take whatever citation, pay the fine, and then move on.
Meanwhile, the typical interaction with a sovtard goes like this
Police officer “Hello sir, we stopped you because you were over the speed limit, and it seems your plates are expired, can you provide me with id, drivers license, proof of insurance?”
Sovtard: <insert nonsense about traveling not in commerce, maritime law, morrocan kings, etc.>
Police officer: “Please provide me with id, drivers license, proof of insurance, so I can give you a citation and we go our merry way”
Sovtard: <insert nonsense about not contracting, black’s law dictionary, judges are a corporation, etc.>
Police officer: “You are legally obliged to provide these, if you don’t, it’s obstruction, and you’ll be arrested”
Sovtard: <insert nonsense about bonds, secret bank accounts with trillions of dollars, etc.>
Police officer: <arrests sovtard, searches car, finds ID - runs it: no insurance, suspended license, etc.>
This goes on and on and on in front of judges the same pattern applies. Challenge jurisdiction every 15 minutes, refuse legal counsel, refuse to plead, ‘I am the living Man’, constantly interrupt the court’s proceedings, fuck up at every corner, waste time with, general incompetence, general stupidity, ‘I am not the allcaps representation of my name’, etc etc
This is why these idiots spend 2+ months in jail over a citation and a ticket. They watched a youtube or tiktok retardfluencer selling them legal nonsense, bought it hook line and sinker. Some even go and surrender their driver’s license if they had any, cancel their insurance, buy “PRIVATE not for commerce” license plates.
It’s full blown stupidity.
i think what you’re doing here is rationalizing our fucked up legal system.
2 months over a suspended license isn’t unheard of… if it was suspended over a dui, she was on probation, or she had multiple offenses….
and of course, her skin is brown.
them sovcits are dumb but they’re not really that common
Yes but… they could just hand them the sitation and let them go at the arraingment. They don’t have to spend tax payer money and keep them in jail. They do that part out of spite.
I’ve watched videos of sovcits somehow managing to make their arraignment (a normally short procedure where you simply get told the alleged charges, the potential penalties, get asked if you understand them, and what do you plead, and whether you wish to proceed for a jury or a bench trial) last hours
Sovcits usually decide to go for jury trial (because you can’t make law from the bench or something…) over something that’s a ticket, which, well, take time. Time they spent in jail, because they were arrested for obstruction in the first place. When they get released on bond, they violate their bond and don’t show up in court and then get issued a bench warrant and end up in jail.
Sovcits do everything that can be done to end up in jail, and then act shocked when that happens.
Of course not all sovcits are the same. But I have heard the real ones are no fan of these youtube wannabe sovcits. That said. Sounds like they are playing on the judges egos. There is a default answer to all of those initial questions if the person refuses to answer with y/n or guilty/not… The judge doesn’t have to lets it last for hours. But from my and others I knows experience with judges and jury duty, judges seem to be more than happy to waste time telling people how they should be respected and such. I am sure not all judges are like that of course. But they seem to be hell bent to establish thier power over people. Even at conferences outside the courthouse. The job doesn’t seem to attract a humble bunch.
It’s not about ego.
Rulebooks that pertain to court things are hundreds of pages long in a bid to be fair and equitable for everyone. Things are done in a way for a reason, you can’t just yolo justice. At an arraignment, the judge needs to determine a couple things:
This is to prevent shenanigans
if the first step already takes 30 minutes because you refuse to even give your name, then when you finally ID yourself, you then proceed to constantly interrupt, delay, whinge, contest, refuse to understand, be a living man of morroco, etc, all the way when it’s time to plead and you spend an extra 45 minutes being like “I wish to be left alone” instead of pleading… then yeah. Either the judge takes the time for you to run out of bullshit and the arraingment ends with you arraigned, or they have a full docket and will send you to jail for contempt and try again the next day.
They don’t need the defendant to do anything to confirm they are who they are supposed to be. Where do you get this? The prosecution can provide fingerprint evidence, ID from the file, not the person… judge can ask once “are you …”. If the answer is not yes or no, he can warn them that the prosecutions evidence will be dnough if they don’t answer. And if yhey still don’t, just accept that evidrnce and move on. 5 minutes tops.
If they keep interrupting, move them to a room where they join by video and are muted when it isn’t thier turn to speak. This “can” be done. But the judges I have knowledge don’t tend to choose efficiency.
Amazing your wrote several paragraphs and not once did you justify the cost or length of 2 months in jail.
Sorry but being annoying, wrong, and stupid isn’t a good reason
There’s nothing that justifies them spending 2 months in jail.
It’s a thing they put themselves through. They get themselves arrested for obstuction, and then delay everything by continuing the sovcit nonsense.
I’ve watched videos of sovcits somehow managing to make their arraignment (a normally short procedure where you simply get told the alleged charges, the potential penalties, get asked if you understand them, and what do you plead, and whether you wish to proceed for a jury or a bench trial) last hours (plural)
Sovcits usually decide to go for jury trial (because you can’t make law from the bench or something…), which, well, take time. Time they spent in jail, because they were arrested.
Yeah still not very convincing. Can you demonstrate they were also stinky? Then I may consider your point.
But in all seriousness, there’s no reason to keep them. In prison. Release them from jail and if they don’t show up issue a warrant. This isn’t a big deal at all. I’d rather someone get away with having a suspended license than spending tax payer money on this.
Plus let’s back up for a second. We have no evidence that this is even what happened in this case. You got on your soap box rather quickly
I said “solid chance they might just be a sovcit.”, then had to explain to people what a sovcit is and why they spend stupid amount of time in jail for things nobody should spend time in jail.
She might very well not be a sovcit. I wouldn’t bet on it though. You don’t spend that long in jail over a suspended license unless you do something excessively stupid in the process.
Sovcit are not in jail because of the suspended license, but for the obstruction charges. They then stay in there because legal things take time, and the fact they do everything you shouldn’t be doing if you want to get out of jail.
It’s stupid, but it is what it is.
Those “Private Not for Commerce” plate make me laugh every time I see them. I work in freight and every time someone shows up with those to pick up their freight I can’t give them their freight due to DOT.
They also almost always don’t have a valid license of any kind as well, which means that even if they did show up in a valid vehicle I can’t release it because I can’t confirm the identity of whose picking it up.
I’m paid by the hour so I have a right proper giggle every time explaining it to them.
Which one of the above are jailable offenses?
being disruptive and uncooperative (eg, failing to provide ID, license, proof of insurance) during a traffic stop will land you in jail for obstruction. It’s the sovcit play. This is how they end in jail.
being disruptive in court is also a good way to end up in jail for contempt
They then spend more and more time in them by doing the whole time wasting thing, refusing legal counsel, bringing up fake legal rulings, etc.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/17884019
It did say suspended license. My understanding is that to claim sovcit you can’t ever have a license. But that might be specific to my state. We have some of the real sovcits. They were sovcits before the internet existed. Very very few of them left though.
Since sovereign citizen is a baseless concept there can’t really be any requirements.
your first mistake is trying to understand. Do not understand, never stand under.
Sovtard joke asides, it doesn’t actually matter to these single-braincelled organism. They just decide laws don’t apply to them. Some go even all the way to get their driving licenses revoked.
Yeah, this is true of anyone making life changes based on the advice of youtubers. Most people are just trying to take control of thier life from all the constraints society and capitalism puts on them to extract as much gdp from them as possible. If thier lives were stable and fullfilling, they wouldn’t feel the need to listen to the youtubbers.