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      • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        19·
        3 天前

        Not even an exaggeration; I recall someone once asking Kirk-hole when they can finally fight back violently (he used more definitive words) and Kirky got this look of fear and realized his fans were dangerous hillbillies and had to say he doesn’t support violence or violent solutions.

          • VOLCEL_POLICE [it/its]@hexbear.netBEnglish
            2·
            2 天前

            The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.

            نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.

            volcel-police

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      8·
      2 天前

      Probably aryanisation action aimed at minorities. I’m more interested what an average Harris voter would think revolution would look like, pelting Trump with eggs and then back to brunch? Gastric revolution?

  • Chana [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    36·
    3 天前

    I think this is about as realistic as those, “I’m moving to Canada if Trump wins” polls. It measures, with huge error bars, whether or not the person questioned thinks politics are “good” right now.

    • ufcwthrowaway [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      131·
      3 天前

      Except that the left of the democrats are calling for police to arrest ice, the west coast and northeast are creating parallel public health infrastructures, California is voting on turning the republican party into a symbolic opposition, and the Oregon national guard is making noises about confrontation with ice.

      There is real will for revolution in the US

      • Chana [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        3 天前

        Those are very early hints of what might develop in 20-30 years. Some of them are still hypothetical. And we haven’t seen any recognizable responses from capital, no big moves. Just following the business cycle, riding a bubble with a full blast of quantitative easing, funding explicit fascists a little more. The distribution and mechanisms of capital vs. labor will dictate the outcome and whether there can be any Balkanization. What could the West coast, say, actually do by itself? Will it create a parallel banking system? Stop paying taxes? These are much higher contradictions than feasible any time soon.

        And capital has many global levers to pull. With a modicum of discipline it could hollow out the US, it just needs alternative operation centers to keep the profit machine running, to guarantee the parents, the copyrights, the unequal exchange system of profit extraction - and whatever else it restrictively invents.

        To be clear I’m not being doomer, I just want to point out that these are very early stages of any larger events.

  • Soot [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    172·
    2 天前

    I find the pessimism in the comments here to be pretty disappointing. Yeah of course Americans aren’t ready for revolution, of course right-wingers have warped views of the world, but the large-scale view that we need radical change is a completely harvestable one. Even if you disagree and think we’re doomed to barbarism/major civil war, basically the only way to help with that is left-wing orgs providing hope, leadership and promulgating real avenues for change.

    If your response is anything other than “We need more and bigger orgs to help people and take leadership”, then I’m not sure you’re respondin’ right.

    • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      151·
      2 天前

      I find the pessimism in the comments here to be pretty disappointing

      Ironically, it reveals how disinterested your average Hexbear American is in actually organizing a revolution. If you swear it’s impossible despite any evidence, then you have no obligation to do anything. Better just to be cynical online!

      It’s hard to imagine a bigger coward and worm than someone who swears that they are a revolutionary communist but acerbically mocks the people when they express any interest in that.

      • Marxism_Sympathizer [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        8·
        2 天前

        it’s because a ton of people both here on hb and elsewhere online shouldnt be describing themselves as “revolutionary communists” but as sympathizers. copy pasting something i said in another comment: i dont think it’s actually right to call myself a marxist/communist/revolutionary, i am not really educated nor dedicated enough, but i generally agree with the ideas so i call myself a sympathizer. i wish more people would do this online, because i see way too many arguments about very basic shit from people claiming to be marxists that need to stop distorting the term

        • Soot [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          3·
          1 天前

          Nobody is expecting you to be the next Che Guevara, or dedicate your entire life to the cause - that’s absolutely fine, doesn’t stop you being a communist. I’m not saying everyone’s response should be “I WILL JOIN AN ORG NOW” (grand as that would be).

          My issue is with people sitting around and just saying how doomed and unsaveable everyone is WHILE being presented with objective evidence that there’s desire for change. That’s even more harmful than standard doomerism.

          • Marxism_Sympathizer [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            1·
            1 天前

            Nobody is expecting you to be the next Che Guevara, or dedicate your entire life to the cause - that’s absolutely fine, doesn’t stop you being a communist

            i think we should be. that is the level of dedication we need from communists to actually win, and if you cant give that, it’s absolutely fine like you said, just dont pretend to be a communist and muddy the waters. call yourself a sympathizer, a fellow traveler, etc. this doesnt mean don’t organize either! that is what mass orgs are supposed to be for, people who are sympathetic to the cause but cant dedicate themselves to becoming true communists. say what you will about PSL, but like i think that is why their stuff like PYM is brilliant because it’s actually attempting to have mass orgs for people to work with.

            I think “dooming” is stupid yes, but this is again because most people doing so arent actually communists attempting to do serious analyses

            • Soot [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
              1·
              8 小时前

              Well then, I heartily disagree in terms of the labels.

              The Communist Manifesto was written to be so short and easy to read because it was aimed at poorly-educated workers. Because a communist party is a party of communists - poorly educated workers and theory-laden party leaders alike. A Communist is someone who believes in and argues in favour of communism. I would very much reject the idea of a ‘True Communist’.

              Either way, I equally denigrate ‘dooming’ from Communists and so-called "Sympathiser"s alike, I have no differing expectations of the two.

      • mononoke@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
        82·
        2 天前

        Are you still wearing a mask in public spaces? Is anyone in your org? Talk to me about cowardice.

        e. to make myself absolutely clear, how seriously do you take COVID, and if prevention via mandatory respirators at any demonstration or meeting is not the expected bare minimum conduct, why not? What world do you think you are building? If this is not up there with climate action on your itinerary, any world you imagine is not equitable. It is not sustainable. It is certainly not revolutionary.

        • ComradeRat [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          71·
          2 天前

          Yeah its very bleak. Im the only masker in my org (and even in 2021 when i joined, everyone was chomping at the bit to start antimasking), and taking precautions means im left out of a lot of the social and community building stuff unless I’m willing to sit masked in a superspreader dinner

          I cant stop organizing bc id feed even worse about myself, but fuck its depressing when even communists are just fine with ableism.and eugenics and will swallow propanda whole and endorse the liberal line of covid being over. Me and my family is just acceptable losses to them

        • Sickos [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.netEnglish
          71·
          2 天前

          Can you clarify your questions? I am wearing a mask at all times outside of my house; generally even in my car so I don’t forget to bring one wherever I am going. Is this cowardice or bravery?

          • mononoke@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
            71·
            2 天前

            It is correct, not cowardly. I made an edit to hopefully clear any further confusion. I very much dislike the “coward” polemic from anyone calling themselves radical or revolutionary (hah!) when I know they all pulled the mask off along with everyone else years ago. That is cowardice.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
      10·
      2 天前

      Exactly, the solution is for people who have spent the time to educate themselves to start helping others. What we’re seeing is that there is a collapse of faith in the current system which makes people open to new ideas. That should be seen as an opportunity to start organizing because more people than ever are actually willing to listen.

      • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        2 天前

        Mao didn’t have to lead a mass of Hitlers! They had come off the Taiping Rebellion and the Boxer Rebellion relatively recently before the start of the civil war, and most crucially, Chinese workers and peasants were at the bottom, not top, of the global labor pyramid. Chaos was to their benefit.

        edit: not to mention that class collaboration helps a proletarian anticolonial movement like the Communists in the Chinese Civil War because it aligns elements in the national bourgeoisie and proletariat/peasantry against the colonial ruling class; the nature of a similar conflict in the US would surely have it reversed where white workers would collaborate with the ruling class to protect their place (this is literally already the precedent for the American Revolution and the Civil War)

  • mononoke@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    17·
    3 天前

    95% of Americans won’t wear masks during an active pandemic of an airborne pathogen for which the only legitimate cure at present is prevention. Commiting to a level of hygiene annoyance which is less than a maxi pad was too much for us as a society. Forgive me for rolling my eyes.

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      15·
      3 天前

      To my knowledge there hasn’t been a successful socialist revolution that didn’t include what you would usually call a civil war.

      • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        81·
        2 天前

        The Russian Revolution was successful at consolidating state power and building a bit of socialism for a few years before the civil war. I think a revolution in the US would resemble the Russian revolution far more than China or Vietnam or most other socialist revolutions that happened in a colonial context.

      • ClimateStalin [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        2 天前

        There’s the couple of places like the GDR that skipped civil war and replaced it with a world war and military occupation, which honestly feels more likely in the U.S. than a civil war leading to positive outcomes

          • FunkyStuff [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            3·
            2 天前

            Feels like something in North Africa, the Sahel, or West Asia coalescing into a new Socialist Federation somehow is exponentially more likely than USSA.

            • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              2·
              2 天前

              India is my preference. If India goes communist nearly 3billion people, nearly half the world, will be communist. The rest is inevitable. It’s the most valuable possibility.