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This is very cool, and I can suddenly see atomic being useful for certain circumstances. Won’t be using it for my personal computer main driver, but hopping/resetting this is easily attracts me so. Thank you!

Thank you for the informative response! :)

saying don’t mention stability is proving the point

My point is that stability is already 100% fine for me now. So saying you’ll make my already rock-solid experience somehow more stable is meaningless. As a power user for over a decade, I’ve personally experienced zero issues where I wished Fedora was somehow more stable. It’s like telling me that Silverblue connects to the internet - Like yes, I already have that.

From what I’m reading, it sounds like the singular ‘pro’ is being forced to do cleaner, more self-contained practices. I can totally see how that would be helpful for some people. But personally, I would genuinely despise that kind of restriction.

I’m admittedly the kind of person who hates being forced to do the ‘best practice’ thing. I’m genuinely happy that my Linux distro will me rm -rf the root partition (with an ‘are you sure’ prompt these days :) ). I’m happy that if I really want to purge the kernel package with dnf, then I can. I want (and kind of need) my freedom to make a mess, if I tell Linux to jump, it will goddamn jump, even if it’s a bad practice technically terrible decision. I have zero interest in going all around the houses just to do it the technically correct (and sometimes less-effort-in-the-long-run) way. If I ever want a clean plate, I can still spin up a container just like you’re saying.

So I get the feeling that atomic is very much not for me, which is what I suspected :) Very glad that people like yourself find it an improvement, that’s what flavours are for!

Thanks for the response, though up to this sentence I’m hearing extra busywork and slow/annoying containerising, in exchange for vague security platitude and a tool which I can already use.

It’s also nice to be able to rebase your distro whenever you want to try out different spins and features, makes inter-fedora atomic distro hopping easy without destroying your configs.

I’m interested by this. Is there a uniqueness to Atomic setups such that you can (more easily) keep your user partition, GNOME configs, etc. and swap out the Fedora distro underneath?

Are we really still asking why Americans die in larger quantities than other western nations? The numbers are fairly clear. Guns, worsening healthcare, worsening poverty, and worsening car culture.

once it clicks, the pros far outweigh the cons

I would love to hear a pro about atomic distros that isn’t some vague platitude about security or stability. I have zero security/stability problems on my ‘normal’ Fedora.

As someone who has steadfastly avoided atomic distros because it sounds like an arseache and the last thing I want is more busywork. Convince me to switch!

Very fun, I’ve been rocking Fedora workstation for years. If Fedora could take off as the gaming distro that’d be great, I’ll get even more up-to-date top-notch graphics drivers without having to change distros

Governments have persistently censored and surveilled the internet ever-more on the basis of “but the children :(” without ever doing a single actually good thing for the children like decreasing class sizes or letting parents spend more time with their children. Both of which would actually help address the issue.

This is the equivalent of abstinence education, just keep 'em ignorant and then when they finally see porn on superundergroundillegalporn.com.illegal it’ll just be 10x worse.

You’re not wrong, but it absolutely is getting worse.

He do be turned into a commodity

So my thing for Lenin is simply commodity fetishisation, phew

Boyboy have a very good video on Pine Gap where they talk about this exact issue at the start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHMa-Ba-2Mo

When Gough said they wouldn’t join in the fun overseas wars, the CIA bugged cabinet meetings and did all sorts. After Gough threatened to close Pine Gap, the Australian Governor General at the time (a supposedly entirely ceremonial position) worked for the CIA (which we only now know due to leaked documents). The Governor General just straight up sacked the prime minister despite having a parliament majority. Just that easy.

Even if you don’t believe the CIA involvement, at the absolute most innocent this was an incident where a very pro-Western unelected ceremonial guy, with completely private communications with US and UK governments, dismissed a democratically elected prime minister and installed a new one. It was a coup, by definition.

As a UKian, yeah, I agree. The small market can’t possible be worth the technical effort and legal liability anyway. More importantly it severely blunts any incentive to actually bow to the UK government’s insane whims.

I do agree. But calling the UK Orwellian is kind of funny, given Orwell’s 1984 is largely, if not mostly, based on the UK:

• Like Winston, Orwell worked in the UK as a war propagandist, and lamented that he constantly had to lie and censor facts, but thought it worth it to defeat the Nazis.
• The ‘ministries’ were entirely based on the UK’s, especially e.g. the ‘Ministry of Defense’ actually being a ministry of war.
• Orwell complained that the UK secret police constantly opened all his letters because he was a commie.
• Room 101 and the Ministry of Truth is basically just satire of the BBC.

As well as cultural changes in the 80s-90s, I think people don’t quite realise how much the internet ‘escaped’ the grasp of governments for the past few decades. By constantly banging the drum of “what about the children D:”, governments are finally just catching up to where we used to be.

I mean sure, but it’ll still likely leave 'em scratching their heads for a while before they go “I guess I just… replace the semicolon…?”

This behaviour is precisely why I stopped using Gmail. My account got locked one day - phone number and recovery email weren’t “enough” to recover, all appeals rejected, that’s it. Lost all my emails, all the stuff in my gdrive, just gone forever. There is literally no way to escalate other than doing a lawsuit. I make sure now to never have my data with a company that can just arbitrarily lock you out and completely ignore you.

I literally agreed that it is bad. We do not seem to disagree.

Of course it’s awful, but so long as a bourgeois class exists, they will pressure media, yes.

I’m not saying that the lawsuits aren’t bad, just that it doesn’t make this show any more ‘important’ or worthy of attention.

All the years we spent giving Israel billions of dollars of bombs and active military support, they promised they wouldn’t do a genocide. We feel very betrayed, if only we’d known

The peak of political commentary in America: “Bad guy is bad and has small peepee and would date Satan”. This commentary is just childish empty nothingness designed to “shock” - exactly like all of South Park, and exactly why I’m just not interested in it.

I basically couldn’t give a shit about the money and the lawsuits. This is just the bourgeois class slapping tiny fines on each other. Trump probably isn’t even personally aware of when “he” sued Paramount.

I mean please go and insult Trump to your heart’s content, there’s a lot of room for humour in criticism. But when something like this is one of the most popular stories, it’s harmful and makes light of ongoing horrors. It moves the conversation away from “Trump and this system obviously should be stopped at all costs” to “haha orange man bad”. Does the episode even mention that Trump is supporting a genocide??

Libs think it’s funny and now sit back because Democratic Satire TM is done. Rightwingers get to say people hate Trump for no valid reason. And so we go on.