I 110% guarantee you the White House is not panicking. He and his little Nazi party of buffoons have zero fears of anyone or anything getting in their way.
They think they’re above the law. And one that is above the law has no fear because he has limitless power to do with as he pleases.
That should be the point of protests. Reminding them that the government should work for the people, and that they will be held accountable for what they did. Because if you don’t, no one else will
Convincing you that they’re untouchable is their game. But they’re just humans like you or I.
But how can you expect to bring about change with this attitude? “There’s no way we can make a republic, there’s no scenario where the king will allow it”
What on earth is that response? You’re taking offense because I wanted to hear your strategy? That’s crazy. You should be glad that someone’s seeking out your perspective.
For example, since you deflected it back to me, I’m happy to share my thoughts.
The left is a long way from posing a real threat to the powers that be. It is poorly organized, poorly armed, and lacks clarity of vision. So long as that’s the case, the left doesn’t have much negotiating power, if push comes to shove, it’d be slaughtered, and there is little choice but to back down because of that. Whatever other approaches are taken, it is important to account for the possibility of enemies using extreme measures, for example, in the event of a general strike, the state might just start killing striking workers until they go back to work. And indeed, they may even force the left’s hand without waiting for something like that.
The best way to avoid the other side using a nuclear option is through deterrence. When the left has a “nuclear option” of it’s own, then there will be reason to come to the table and negotiate with the peaceful side, and tactics such as a general strike can be deployed more effectively and with less risk.
Of course, the logistics of such a “nuclear option” take time to set up, and, God willing, it should only serve to increase negotiating power and shouldn’t develop into a full-fledged conflict - meaning that we need to be realistic about what we can bargain for. Trump being almost 80, may well be dead before we are really in a position to achieve anything, and there will likely be more important priorities at that time than holding him accountable.
In short: buy a gun, join an org, and read and discuss theory.
I am not taking offense at anything, I’m not sure how you read that. But to be fair I also misread your comment, I did not catch a genuine interest in my perspective but more of a “tell me how things can happen”, which I did not give and reflected back not to be an ass, but because I’m not american. Sharing my opinion on what practical steps the american people should take feels vacuous, and would be uneducated/misinformed even in good faith. I’m not on the ground there, so I don’t have a real sense of the situation or power to influence it (aside from arguing on the internet).
I do really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. For what it’s worth, I think they’re very lucid and thought-out considerations that I share fully. I am glad that I got to read this comment instead of one more “we just need to reach 3.5%!!!” :)
They are untouchable. They may lose power. In a fantasy scenario, they may even be barred from office. But there is no scenario, even in fantasy, where these rich fucks will spend a single day in prison. The best we can hope for is them dying from old age, or quietly fading away.
Mate you’re either astroturfing or brainwashed. This collective thought of “nothing will ever happen” is what’s creating the scenario where nothing ever happens. Don’t you see that? Of course they will not be held accountable, if you don’t hold them accountable. wtf?
I think both are kind of true. They have more power than perhaps any administration in history given how stacked the Supreme Court is and how subservient the entire GOP is to Trump and the billionaire apparatus.
That said, I DO sense a panic of how so many months have gone by and midterms are right around the corner. With Trump’s approval-ratings plummeting to Jimmy Carter levels already and their lack of justifying consolidation of power while Democrats are energized — IF they don’t succeed by next midterms, GOP are going to lose pretty big.
Only an absolute collapse in support for the GOP will affect them. The SCOTUS is going to rule against section 2 of the voting rights act and then southern states are going to jerrymander another 12 seats away from the Dems. That’s not insurmountable, but they will need a national lead of 6% in the popular vote just to break even.
Dude what. Last presidency he got scared during the anti-abortion law protests of May 2019 and installed new fencing around the Whitehouse that are roughly twice as high.
Then he had additional fencing and concrete barriers installed around the already huge fences during the BLM/George Floyd protests, and when one of those fences was partially pushed down (still leaving a 14 foot fence protecting the Whitehouse), he ran off and hid in a bunker.
Then he spent the next weeks telling everyone he’s very brave and did not go to a bunker. While Whitehouse leakers confirmed he did.
Bruh those fences weren’t fear, they were a publicity stunt and rile up the right… They know what they are doing and it’s basically a psychological war.
They can just send a manipulated poor person to do their dirty work, including murder, without having anything to fear at all.
Trump is just a puppet to larger organized crime that’s global. America is just being used as a tool in the lawless global game that is above the law.
I mean they are above the law at least Trump. He literally cannot be procedures for anything done as an official act. Also whoa going to enforce the law?
Thewhite house panicked so hard the President of the united states posted a video of homself with a crown on shitting on the protesters. Think about that for two seconds.
A dictator is always afraid of the people the rule over. Law is not something they fear. It is lawlessness. Protests is the way to show them a glimpse of that.
Lawlessness is their upper hand, but when they realize their victims are willing to die or kill things change. They do have pawns that will die for them though so it’s not so simple.
It’s exactly like mafia and gang life on a larger scale.
Most Americans are not playing the same game as them… Most Americans are taught not to play that game… But when they start things might have hope.
I 110% guarantee you the White House is not panicking. He and his little Nazi party of buffoons have zero fears of anyone or anything getting in their way.
They think they’re above the law. And one that is above the law has no fear because he has limitless power to do with as he pleases.
That should be the point of protests. Reminding them that the government should work for the people, and that they will be held accountable for what they did. Because if you don’t, no one else will
They’re not going to be held accountable. There is no scenario where they do.
Convincing you that they’re untouchable is their game. But they’re just humans like you or I.
But how can you expect to bring about change with this attitude? “There’s no way we can make a republic, there’s no scenario where the king will allow it”
What’s the plan, then?
To stop asking other people what to do. What do you want?
What on earth is that response? You’re taking offense because I wanted to hear your strategy? That’s crazy. You should be glad that someone’s seeking out your perspective.
For example, since you deflected it back to me, I’m happy to share my thoughts.
The left is a long way from posing a real threat to the powers that be. It is poorly organized, poorly armed, and lacks clarity of vision. So long as that’s the case, the left doesn’t have much negotiating power, if push comes to shove, it’d be slaughtered, and there is little choice but to back down because of that. Whatever other approaches are taken, it is important to account for the possibility of enemies using extreme measures, for example, in the event of a general strike, the state might just start killing striking workers until they go back to work. And indeed, they may even force the left’s hand without waiting for something like that.
The best way to avoid the other side using a nuclear option is through deterrence. When the left has a “nuclear option” of it’s own, then there will be reason to come to the table and negotiate with the peaceful side, and tactics such as a general strike can be deployed more effectively and with less risk.
Of course, the logistics of such a “nuclear option” take time to set up, and, God willing, it should only serve to increase negotiating power and shouldn’t develop into a full-fledged conflict - meaning that we need to be realistic about what we can bargain for. Trump being almost 80, may well be dead before we are really in a position to achieve anything, and there will likely be more important priorities at that time than holding him accountable.
In short: buy a gun, join an org, and read and discuss theory.
I am not taking offense at anything, I’m not sure how you read that. But to be fair I also misread your comment, I did not catch a genuine interest in my perspective but more of a “tell me how things can happen”, which I did not give and reflected back not to be an ass, but because I’m not american. Sharing my opinion on what practical steps the american people should take feels vacuous, and would be uneducated/misinformed even in good faith. I’m not on the ground there, so I don’t have a real sense of the situation or power to influence it (aside from arguing on the internet).
I do really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. For what it’s worth, I think they’re very lucid and thought-out considerations that I share fully. I am glad that I got to read this comment instead of one more “we just need to reach 3.5%!!!” :)
They are untouchable. They may lose power. In a fantasy scenario, they may even be barred from office. But there is no scenario, even in fantasy, where these rich fucks will spend a single day in prison. The best we can hope for is them dying from old age, or quietly fading away.
Just like Mussolini right?
Mate you’re either astroturfing or brainwashed. This collective thought of “nothing will ever happen” is what’s creating the scenario where nothing ever happens. Don’t you see that? Of course they will not be held accountable, if you don’t hold them accountable. wtf?
I think both are kind of true. They have more power than perhaps any administration in history given how stacked the Supreme Court is and how subservient the entire GOP is to Trump and the billionaire apparatus.
That said, I DO sense a panic of how so many months have gone by and midterms are right around the corner. With Trump’s approval-ratings plummeting to Jimmy Carter levels already and their lack of justifying consolidation of power while Democrats are energized — IF they don’t succeed by next midterms, GOP are going to lose pretty big.
Prop 50 Yes in California is a must as well.
Only an absolute collapse in support for the GOP will affect them. The SCOTUS is going to rule against section 2 of the voting rights act and then southern states are going to jerrymander another 12 seats away from the Dems. That’s not insurmountable, but they will need a national lead of 6% in the popular vote just to break even.
Dude what. Last presidency he got scared during the anti-abortion law protests of May 2019 and installed new fencing around the Whitehouse that are roughly twice as high.
https://apnews.com/united-states-government-f0dae0200dd945dcb868d98b1e8ff378
Then he had additional fencing and concrete barriers installed around the already huge fences during the BLM/George Floyd protests, and when one of those fences was partially pushed down (still leaving a 14 foot fence protecting the Whitehouse), he ran off and hid in a bunker.
Then he spent the next weeks telling everyone he’s very brave and did not go to a bunker. While Whitehouse leakers confirmed he did.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/trump-is-literally-building-a-wall-around-the-white-house
He’s repeatedly shown he’s a scared little piss-baby, especially of protesters.
Bruh those fences weren’t fear, they were a publicity stunt and rile up the right… They know what they are doing and it’s basically a psychological war.
They can just send a manipulated poor person to do their dirty work, including murder, without having anything to fear at all.
Trump is just a puppet to larger organized crime that’s global. America is just being used as a tool in the lawless global game that is above the law.
I mean they are above the law at least Trump. He literally cannot be procedures for anything done as an official act. Also whoa going to enforce the law?
Thewhite house panicked so hard the President of the united states posted a video of homself with a crown on shitting on the protesters. Think about that for two seconds.
That’s not panicking, that’s laughing and making a joke of the whole thing.
A dictator is always afraid of the people the rule over. Law is not something they fear. It is lawlessness. Protests is the way to show them a glimpse of that.
Lawlessness is their upper hand, but when they realize their victims are willing to die or kill things change. They do have pawns that will die for them though so it’s not so simple.
It’s exactly like mafia and gang life on a larger scale.
Most Americans are not playing the same game as them… Most Americans are taught not to play that game… But when they start things might have hope.
People need to accept this.
They’ve seen zero drop in the money they’re pocketing or stealing.
They’re seeing zero ramifications for their actions.
So they’ll keep doing what they’re doing.