The tacit understanding here being that the funding and feelings of the police is more valuable than the lives of senior citizens.
The tacit understanding here being that the funding and feelings of the police is more valuable than the lives of senior citizens.
Damn you have portrayed me as the wojak twice. I underestimated the level of maturity here.
Their argument wasn’t a smoll bean flawed revolutionary plan it was presented as what all leftists should have been doing for the past 10 years and completely necessary for the success of the revolution. Since you have no actual response you’ve decided to throw basic baby leftism at me like I’m you 5 years ago. Nobody ever said on this site that Mamdani would single-handedly steer the Democrats left. They said he can fuck with rent control and maybe do some basic social policies while holding a seat for a little while. You simply cannot stop making shit up while calling everyone else debatelords and accusing them of manufacturing strawmen.
Kill the democrats for all I care. Despite what you think, I actually do not like them. I also understand their history and what roles they played in atrocity. I promise, like I swear on my life, that you are not the first person to understand these things. A lot of the trouble you’re having right now is just your impotency in the face of atrocity creating the need to lash out online (one of your few means of political expression that won’t get you killed or jailed). I understand it’s not actually about me because you don’t know me, which is why you have to pretend that you’ve stumbled upon my obvious liberal dedication to Nazis.
Now, eagerly refresh the page for your next chance to battle the libs comrade.
I appreciate everyone who replied. I feel like the DSA isn’t as irredeemably lib as characterized but they have made mistakes for sure and criticism is an important part of the process. I think it would be even better if some of the critics came to meetings and voiced these concerns and ideas. And if there’s orgs that are doing the work they want to see I’d love to know so I can check them out as well. It’s crucial that we get to a place of regularly conducting our political struggle in person with real people.
The cope is unreal. It was literally Q: What should the DSA be doing instead of electoralism? A: incorrect unserious ideas but in the right general direction, no mention of “10 years” and being “completely necessary”
Cope again. No response to what? I’m not the same person who you were arguing with buddy. I don’t even agree with their ideas and don’t take them seriously because this is some anonymous internet forum. Arguing over strategic form over substance is just pedantry. What I do agree with is the overall undercurrent to break ties with the genocidal democratic party and explore alternative means of building worker power. As you said this is “basic baby leftism” and yet americans are still coping.
Thats good but there are people in this very comment section replying with logical fallacies and copes in response to people stating very obvious basic facts about how both democratic party entryism and electoralism are dead ends for any real change.
Again, not the same person.
There is a difference between saying that they “do not like them” / “understand their history” and internalizing the fact that they are completely irredeemable and directly responsible for genocidal murder and suffering on a mass scale, which therefore means breaking ties with them.
Understand what things? Lets see you type them out instead of being a duplicitous condescending amerishart. Free Palestine.
Condescending nonsense response. You’re acting as if poking fun at you for posting like a destiny fan + general criticisms of electoralism/entryism into the fascist genocidal democratic party are some spiteful “lashing out” against you as a person or something. Get a grip.
Kinda disturbing to see someone use what they perceive as anger due to “impotency in the face of *genocide (FTFY)” as part of a supporting argument for an own or something.
Idc about you as a person nor the fact as to whether you personally support nazis, the fact is that ITT you had ample opportunity to engage in a constructive discussion with the person you were arguing with and explicitly express agreement with their overall point that electoralism is a dead end and the democratic party are basically bourgeois nazis who support genocide. Therefore, you could have rightly criticized their plan and discussed with them a better alternative at a general level.
Yet you didn’t and just bizarrely focused on pedantically criticizing their specific plan, taking it so seriously as if they meant it was “what all leftists should have been doing for the past 10 years and completely necessary for the success of the revolution”, really disproportionate response to some post that was unserious bullshit but done in good faith in the right general direction.
This seems like some cope where you criticize and argue over the form of something because you disagree with the substance and yet can’t really find any valid arguments to criticize it because you know the substance is correct.
I mean you’re basically posting like a condescending succdem streamer fan (“muh adults in the room”, “muh realism”) in response to someone giving some uninformed but good faith suggestions for pro-worker actions as alternatives to electoralism, which in the context of the “american left” means siding with the genocidal, white supremacist democratic party.
I hope I’m wrong and we can all be on the same page that the democratic party are responsible for genocide, entryism into them is thus wrong, and bourgeois electoralism is a dead end, so we can talk about solutions that are more in line with reality.
lmao projection and cope you’re the one 3 replies into the
Communicating with you people is like chewing sandpaper. The whole point was that it was incorrect and unserious. So you agree with my post. What a tremendous waste of time. Also they did say that about 10 years.
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2016 is 2 months away from being 10 years ago. They’re saying these things need to be done and should have been done for the past 10 years. It’s there plain as day. I guess part of our problem is you’re not even reading posts, just skimming the first three words of every sentence and replying. You’re not even reading the posts you’re defending.
I’m not spending all day itemizing posts and arguing with you about the definition of what words mean. You clearly went to the second or third page of the site, dug into 2 layers of replies just to find something to argue about. You just said you agree with my post so there’s nothing really left to argue about (with me). Go find someone else.
Thinking is known to be a painful experience for amerisharts.
You’re trying to cope and run away from the substance again. I agree that on a surface level, the post is incorrect. However, fact of the matter is that on a more substantive level, it is correct to pursue other types of action as opposed to electoralism and/or entryism into the genocidal imperialist democratic party.
Furthermore, the unserious nature of the post we are both referring to, when combined with the correct general direction it sets, means that it can either be completely ignored or critiqued with respect to better ways of building a strong progressive mass movement in america that can challenge the bourgeois.
After all the more serious general problem is not that there are too many leftists who are pursuing a genuinely more revolutionary line yet doing stupid things. Its that too many “leftists” are succdem copers who have faith in a bourgeois electoral system which props up genocidal parties.
Again, the problem is your disproportionate response to some post that was unserious bullshit but done in good faith in the right general direction.
This seems like some cope where you criticize and argue over the form of something because you disagree with the substance and yet can’t really find any valid arguments to criticize it because you know the substance is correct.
I mean you’re basically posting like a condescending succdem streamer fan (“muh adults in the room”, “muh realism”) in response to someone giving some uninformed but good faith suggestions for pro-worker actions as alternatives to electoralism, which in the context of the “american left” means siding with the genocidal, white supremacist democratic party.
Ok reddit. Honestly, so what? If anything they are right that the type of revolutionary working class movement-building as an alternative to electoralism had to be started 10 years ago at the very least. Again, its an uninformed post but they’re 100% correct terms of the general direction.
You made a similar mistake in your 1st post and yet nobody cared because that would be annoying and counterproductive.
That is literally what you have been doing with the other person but go on.
It was on the first page you absolute projecting coper. You’re the one who started this fucking nonsense argument.
Denounce the democratic party as a genocidal, white supremacist organ of the bourgeois, admit that electoralism and entryism are bullshit, and admit that the person who you started arguing with was incorrect on the surface level but was correct in their adamant insistence on an alternative, more revolutionary, direction.
The person goes on to inappropriately use the “disengage” rule to first bring up some irrelevant moderation history out of context, despite me not being bigoted and replying to them in a calm manner, and then prevent me from replying to fully dismiss me as some kind of unhinged chronically online reactionary.
Kind of ghoulish and bad faith if you ask me.
Also they are averaging about 13 comments a day using a conservative estimate, while I’m at about 2 a day, rounding up. Another case of projection.
Oh I get it. I hit some kind of chronically online trip-wire.
Disengage.