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Millions of federal workers won’t get paid during a government shutdown. But the people who could prevent or end a shutdown — members of Congress — will still receive a paycheck.
That’s because their pay is protected under Article I, Section 6 of the Constitution, which states: “The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.”
The Constitution “says members will be paid,” Rep. Joe Morelle of New York, the top Democrat on the House Administration Committee, explained to reporters Tuesday.
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Hot take: Congress should be paid during a shutdown
The wealthy members of congress don’t care about their salary. They already have large amounts of money made even bigger by insider trading, bribery, and the promise of a lucrative “consulting” role when they leave congress
The honest, working class members of congress rely on their salary. Taking away their salary would give a powerful tool for the wealthy congress members to force the working class members to vote with the wealthy members. It would also incentivize more corruption. Insider trading looks a whole lot more tempting when your income suddenly disappeared and you have $3,000 in rent due tomorrow
Cool, now use this kind of logic to protect the pay of federal employees during shutdowns.
Yup. All salaries should be paid but no buying anything and all buildings shutdown with utilities off. All current equippment should be considered to have a lean on them to cover us obligations and can’t be used.
It’s lien, but I’d also like someone to give all the equipment some lean so they can chill during the shutdown.
Since they can’t use equipment to me they should get paid but not do anything until sorted.
The employees should also be issued some lean so they can chill too, I like your style.
They should finally just amend that paper to say “Fuck the People” instead of “We the People”. The “People” no longer have any say and the ballot box is like Schrödinger’s Cat.
The “People” no longer have any say
When did they?
Certainly not when the document was signed.
These comments are gonna be spicyyyy
Some lawmakers said they can’t afford missing a pay period.
“I’m not wealthy, and I have three kids. I would basically be missing, you know, mortgage payments, rent payments, child support,” Sen. Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz., told NBC News. “So it’s not feasible, not gonna happen.”
oh so just like the thousand of workers that are being affected right now…
Right, but you don’t want him to make a bad deal just to put food on his own table.
It’s kind of a bad situation either way, but I’d prefer they keep getting paid and don’t have to take bribes or a shit deal for me for his own personal gain.
Millions. Not thousands. Millions of civil servants who work tirelessly and often thanklessly to make everyday life better for us all.
Keep in mind, she’s saying that while living at a higher quality of life than most of you.
It’s not an on/off switch, it’s a gradient where people try to live as lavishly as possible for as little effort as possible.
he’s a he apparently, twice divorced. First married to the mayor phoenix and now to a lobbyist for the national association of realtors. Also went to harvard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_Gallego
Senator Ruben Gallego has filed a new annual financial disclosure, which was parsed by Quiver’s congressional net worth tracking software.
Some of the disclosed holdings which were parsed include:
Up to $50,000 in Aspiration Up to $50,000 in Aspiration Fund Adviser LLC Up to $50,000 in NameCoach Inc. Up to $15,000 in Aggressive Track: 80% Equity Portfolio Up to $15,000 in JFFCX - Jpmorgan Smartretirement 2055 Fd C
We have data on up to $100.0K of trades from Senator Ruben Gallego, which we parsed from STOCK Act filings
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they’re both bickering and finger pointing at each other when they both got us into this mess in the first place and all of them refuse to cut spending. I hate that being a politician nowadays is essentially saying one liners to farm clips for their social media. In reality they’ll just print more money instead of actually budgeting which means raising inflation even more making our lives even worse. I hate the dems and the GOP so much theyre an elite class getting rich while the rest of us get poorer. Both need to go.
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This is how it’s always worked.
If members of congress were not paid, the richer members could use a shutdown to coerce the poorer members, knowing that they have enough saving to survive the payment stop longer than poorer members. In a government where shutdowns are possible, continuing to pay representatives is necessary.
In a proper country, a shutdown would result in an immediate recall and disbarment of every elected official. But we don’t live in a proper country.
Continuing to pay those responsible for the shutdown is a bad thing. Punishing every other government worker for someone else’s ineptitude is bad. But on balance not paying congress would probably be just a bit worse.
This is 100% correct. In most civilised countries, if a yearly budget cannot be approved, the whole cabinet gets disbanded.
Usually this leads to a new president (usually, a PM) getting appointed, but ultimately would lead to new elections.
In a proper country there are no government shutdowns.
A government shutting down is a failed state. That never should happen, and if it happens, safeguards should be implemented ASAP so it can’t happen again.
Yeah. If they were not getting paid or it was disbared (non English speaker. It’s the first time I’ve seen that word so it might be wrong), then they would approve any budget, which could be arguably worse
If members of congress were not paid, the richer members could use a shutdown to coerce the poorer members,
Pretty sure all congresspeople get paid at least 6 figures per year.
They can survive their entire term off of just 1 year’s salary.
But! They won’t be able to waste money like idiots/most people on social media.
They get paid 174k a year.
They usually end up needing 2 homes, and dozens of flights between their home district an DC.
New congresspeople are typically very poor before they start getting bribes
That’s not the correct approach, brother. Especially newer congressmen will be dependent on this income to live, and this would make them even more likely to be held hostage by the guys with fat pockets.
The problem here is that the consequences are exclusively shouldered by the people, when in fact it should be the administration who gets punished: if they’re unable to compromise on a budget, then they need to get kicked out so that the country doesn’t stop.
If there’s no way of passing the budget with a new administration, then call for new elections and see how the chips fall.
It should be noted that not getting paid during a government shutdown would disproportionately negatively affect Democrats in the House, many of whom rely on that income. More House Republicans are independently wealthy.
It really varies by state and department.
Plenty of red states have stacked their bureaucracies with loyal Republican apparatchiks. They’ll be hit as hard as anyone else.
More House Republicans are independently wealthy.
Vanishingly few Congresscritters are anything resembling poor. You need a certain excess of free time and wealth just to attempt to run. And you need a large body of wealthy friends to finance your campaign.
The idea that Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin can’t weather this storm because they’re Democrats is absurd.
You’ll notice I said “many” and not “all.”
You’ll notice I said “many”
I’ll spot you “a few”.
And, in theory, they are actively working to restart the government.
Like most things with the US (and, honestly, most countries) government, it is all based upon people acting “honorably” and in good faith.
And besides party lines, you really don’t want policies that only really punish politicians who haven’t grifted.
many of whom rely on that income
Keep in mind, it’s a 6-figure salary and they’d rather live a higher quality of life than save or invest that money for later.
It’s not about needs, it’s about wants. These people are all richer than us.
for those curious it’s $174,000 per annum for members of the House and Senate. according to rentcafe and numbeo the average price for an apartment just under 800 sq ft a month is about $2500. Other cost of living expenses are on par with other major cities.
They’re fine. This doesn’t include other benefits and kick backs and what have you which I imagine they all get plenty of.
the average price for an apartment just under 800 sq ft a month is about $2500
That’s usually a second home they’re paying for, because most of them have places to live and families in their respective states when not in session. Does the federal government reimburse for flights back and forth from their home to DC? Because there are a lot of those too
You didn’t think they’d inconvenience themselves, did you?
They should not have retirement or good benefits. If we ever get out of this elected officials should be held to a higher standard and given the bare minimum of what they give the citizens
of course
Of course they do.
Does ICE get paid?
If not I’m all in.
Does ICE get paid?
Of course they do, that’s obviously more important than any other public service.
Funny how the government seemed to work fine with no shutdown during Biden’s presidential tenure.
There was an ugly shutdown fight in March of 2024. And Biden had ample share of bureaucratic bungles, largely due to his continued reliance on private contractors at firms like SpaceX and Palantir and Microsoft and Boeing.
That these tech giants ended up stabbing him in the back to move Trump into his seat only further illustrates how badly Biden mangled his single term in office.
They get a ton of extra perks straight from the government that you don’t even want to know about because it should fill you with rage. They’re leeches.
Some of the best health care in the world.
I’ve seen speculation that the health care benefits are a big reason why 90 year old Congress critters refuse to retire.
Hey, come on, there’s no need to insult leeches.
Surprised look
