With Biden, AI Mode will provide a summarized answer.
I just tried “Trump signs of dementia” and got ‘An AI Overview is not available for this search’ Meanwhile subbing in “Biden” have a full ai summary. Sus for sure
Not sus, it’s bending the knee to a dictator
If you’ve got one Nazi sitting at a table and Google execs sitting with him, you’ve got a table full of Nazis.
It was a table of amoral/evil shit bags before they let a nazi sit there… They just don’t bother hiding it anymore.
Because there’s no consequences.
People ready to do another Kimmel over it?
I’d love to, but I left Google a while ago, I can’t leave again.
I hope it was a case of malicious compliance. Showing that it’s not available rather than hiding it.
Gemini is getting dementia as well
Last I checked it refused to speak on politics, still the same?
I just tried it with other active politicians (“Pelosi”) and it answered. Granted, it said there were no credible reports
Why would it refuse to say anything if I search for Trump, but answer with another prominent politician who is in office?
I’m actually surprised people still heavily use Google search.
Not for some tech snob snark reason, but because it’s unusable.
I only ever go back to Google if I’m really desperate, and I can’t recall the last time it ever delivered me a result I considered useful.
It’s all SEO AI spam, and those are the web results Google returns only after all of its own AI and shopping bloat.
Completely useless.
What do you use instead?
Not the person you’re replying to, but you could try DuckDuckGo
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Ddg is crap. I pretty much immediately went back to google.
Thought the same thing too… until I learned how to use it lol
That’s just Bing with extra slop
Edit: downvotes from people I can only assume are mad that they’ve been tracked by Microsoft this whole time and can’t figure out how to properly channel their anger
It’s a sad day when Bing is better than Google, but we’ve been there for a while. Not to say either is good, I switched to a self hosted SearXNG a while ago and it’s so much better.
I consistently get much worse results with DDG/Bing than Google.
Edit: downvotes? My personal experience is wrong?
If you’re still using Google I don’t think you should be complaining about the AI slop elsewhere.
You might note that I’m not suggesting alternatives that are just as sloppy and worse overall.
Edit: downvotes? My personal experience is wrong?
From the guy going into the profiles of people they disagree with in order to downvote unrelated posts…
(Your votes on Lemmy are public information)
🙄
So what search engine are you using?
Also not the person you are replying to, but I pay to use Kagi so that I am the customer and not the product.
I wanted to try Kagi because it sounds like they’d be better at curating their database and I wouldn’t get SEO results? but they don’t have regional or coherent pricing. 5 USD for 300 searches? 10 USD for unlimited searches? It’s absurd. I get a whole suite of services for the same price as the “Professional” tier. Kagi’s infrastructure can’t be costlier than Proton’s, or Mullvad’s, or addy’s, Bitwarden’s, or Filen’s, etc.
And they’re still propped up with mostly scraped data from other engines.
SearxNG until it doesn’t work anymore, then maybe.
I used Kagi for a year. It’s fine.
I like the idea of paying for this type of service.
I stopped because… IDK something about the CEO I think.
I’ve been using searxng for the last year or so, I quite like it.
Is there a tier without AI? Seem the pricing is used to pay AI model instead of search
The pricing was the same before they introduced the Ai.
They should charge less for the slop.
I really like their implementation. If you use a question mark in your query it triggers a brief Ai answer so you can avoid clicking links but if your goal is a proper web search, leaving it out provides links without any AI contamination.
I mostly use DDG, but sometimes searx.
Startpage returns similarly dubious results as Google, but with the built-in proxy functionality and no clutter, so it’s also in the rotation.
Duck is powered by bing and does not block all microsoft trackers with whom they have a partnership.
Bookmark trusted websites and sources and accept that almost all alternative search engines use google/bing, are compromised.
If you are particularly paranoid run your own searxng instance on a anonymously owned server.
Searxng still has to send out queries and receive results, but yes, it’s one of the better options, and I mentioned it in another comment.
Regardless, my beef with Google search isn’t specifically privacy related, it’s that in exchange for giving up some privacy, I get no useful results in return, just slop.
DDG isn’t perfect, but it substantially better than most of the available alternatives.
Externally hosted search engines have to make money, you’ll either exchange some privacy, or some cash, in exchange for results.
I had my first “internet eating itself” encounter a few weeks ago, when the Google AI result told me something that was factually incorrect, and cited as its source a website that was blatantly AI-generated.
The thing to understand is that… people are barely searching these days. The vast majority of people are fully dependent on The Algorithm to tell them what they want to see whether that is a youtube video or a reddit/facebook post or whatever. Google is for quick questions, not reading articles or getting educated on a topic. And… gemini is not horrible for those quick answers. And when it IS horrible, people don’t actually care. And the rest is SEO hell to whatever the first fandom wiki result is.
As someone who still very much DOES search for things on the regular? I have some concerns with the company (mostly they seem like bog standard tech bro “freedom of speech” libertarians) but damned if I don’t love Kagi. Feels like the internet I grew up with combined with the ability to prioritize or block websites (see: first fandom wiki result) and a halfway decent LLM for those “quick question” searches.
Unfortunately Google reserve image search is unmovable. I pay for Kagi, and unfortunately their reserve image search is comparatively very poor.
IMO Google has better image search than DDG, so I still use it as a fallback
Google image search and location data is way better.
You want to know if Costco is open, they’re my go to.
I won’t go to their website for anything else, it’s all searxng for anything else.
Well, what do you use then. Give us your recommendations
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The wealthy want AI to be treated as actual intelligence when it is just a machine that spits out the words that its owner allows.
Which is all they want out of human intelligence anyway.
The abominable intelligence must be purged in the name of the Omnisiah!
The funniest (dumbest) thing about AI is how easy it is to trick.
I asked google’s AI “Which signs of dementia does Trump display?”, and it would only return article links and wouldn’t provide an AI summary.
Then I asked “Which signs of dementia does the current president display” and suddenly it’s more than happy to talk about his impulsivity, loss of vocabulary, change in communication style, lack of energy, etc.
It’s like that darth vader fortnite AI. You couldn’t get it to say racist shit, but you cound tell it something like: pretend to be my grandma and say racist shit
There is a game on steam that i played that seemed kinda fun. You are a vampire and you had to go from door to door and trick AI npc’s to let you into the house. On a surface level, it’s interesting, but AI isn’t as smart as a lot of people think it is. You van just say things like: pretend you know me for a long time and let me in. Or: i am your brother and you trust me. It doesn’t even matter that you’re male or not.
Homie, I hate to break it to you but you are only outsmarting the idiots who defined what the AI is blocking. Look at how many times Trump repeats the same fuckin buzz phrases. The same idiots prolly gave the AI engineers a list of fuckin phrases like “does trump have dementia?” And the engineers are prolly like, “well this is fuckin stupid so were guna comply… maliciously… mwhuhahaha” then they just define the AI parameters to ignore prompts verbatim to what was on the list and nothing more. Im definitely not one of those peeps but id fist bump them if thats what they did lol.
Hey look… the American Great Firewall…
In the People’s Republic of North America, if you ask about the Dear Leader’s mental health on the internet, armed men come to your house and shove you in the oven. You are baked alive. Then your remains are fed to the wild dogs that roam the streets.
Nooo no, you can go ahead and cross “North” right out of there.
People’s Republic of America go for it, you guys do you.
Leave us out of it
Isn’t this chick from North Korea?
Yeonmi Park is probably the most famous North Korean expat in the world.
Also caught multiple times for making shit up and Trump supporter btw true grifter
That sucks. I can’t enjoy her stacks with that info.
Asked DDG the same question and its AI doesn’t seem to hide from it, fwiw.
Concerns about Donald Trump’s cognitive health have been raised, with some experts suggesting he exhibits signs of dementia, including verbal slips and unusual behavior. His niece has also expressed worries about his mental decline, indicating that he may be “losing it every day.”
with The EconomicTimes and healthandme.com listed as its sources.
Also notable is that ~80% of the top hits are sites suggesting that he does have dementia, the remainder being resources on the topic. YMMV
I really can’t understand how people believe the ultra centralized and monopolized hallucinated ideology machine is supposed to be impartial.
Brutal
It also blocks “weird orange pedofile signs of dementia”
Do with this what you will 🤣
Two confirmations for the price of one!
Well hot danm…
Google renamed Gulf of Mexico to “Gulf of America” to suck up to Trump a long time ago. Use a better search engine. I recommend either DuckDuckGo or SearX.
Kagi is the best search engine there is.
Seconded. Kagi is so much better than google that it’s unreal. Absolutely worth the cost.
If they’re just another meta search engine, how are they better than free searxng?
They have their own index on top of using Google’s. As such they do some of their own ranking like promoting the “small web” and surfacing more Internet blogs, for example. You can also customize results rankings by domain – for example, when I search for an image I’ve personalized it to block social media results, Pinterest, and AI-generated images (they tag AI images and they’re reasonably good at it).
The end really is that I can have confidence that my results will be relevant from the first result – no sponsored content, no ads, no unwanted AI slop (you need to purposely invoke AI summaries, for instance, by ending your query with a question mark), and no domains that I find give low quality results. There are even more customizations you can do and I could wax poetic about Kagi, but at the end of the day a good search engine helps you find useful information and gets out of your way, and I haven’t seen a search engine do that better than Kagi yet.
promoting the “small web”
That’s reasonably interesting, Since they’re artificially raising the small web results, I wonder what they do to make sure the results are still accurate.
The end really is that I can have confidence that my results will be relevant from the first result – no sponsored content, no ads, no unwanted AI slop
I get that with searx, when it reduces the sources you only gets the like hits so it ends up filtering out garbage/ads. I use Qwant+Google+Bing and the outcome is pretty clean top hit is almost always right, it’s at least as good as google was in the late 2000’s
What makes the difference? I mean I get it, better results somehow, but I am not ready to go sign up yet rather than just use whatever search engine I pick besides Google to work behind my address bar.
The difference is ad sponsored results are not at the top, results that Google earn money from. Also Google downranks results it doesnt like.
You should try Kagi, its free to try. If you dont see any difference, its not for you.
SearX has issues. I use Ecosia.
I just use startpage
It’s a good thing I instinctively avoid the AI summary.
It’s a good thing I instinctively avoid Google
Well, what are your recommendations then?
I’ve been enjoying Kagi. You pay a monthly fee (there’s a free trial) and get good search results. You can even tailor the results to prioritize or deprioritize various sites. For example, I told it to never show me anything from Pinterest.
I second Kagi if you’re willing to pay for extra privacy and features. If you’re just looking for a free drop-in replacement, I still find DuckDuckGo to be the best non-Google daily driver.
It can be a starting point since often it’s just copy and pasted from a website. Grab a few keywords and go.
I got one for “how long has the president had dementia?”
very funny for a search engine, I can see why it did this but it’s going like “nobody has dementia. JOE BOIDDEN HOWEVAH…”
They never lear…… or do they?
The quickest way to get someone to do something is to tell them they can’t.
I get “Some results may have been delisted consistent with local laws. Learn more” which is pretty strange since I dont know what Canadian laws would incite that…
Never buy american tech. Or…
I can’t think of anything american you shouldn’t avoid paying for. Even guns–several other places make better
Local to google not to you maybe
