“I can say that he has been very cooperative,” Cox continued, possibly misgendering the roommate. “This partner has been incredibly cooperative, had no idea that this was happening and is working with investigators right now.”
This has to be intentional. Shitting in one hand calling it “civility” then in the other lobbing a grenade of transphobia. Love it.
it’s not like the roommate was out publicly though. if I were in her position I would still want the press and courts to he/him me because i wasn’t ready to socially transition at that stage, and obviously she wasn’t either, because she had seemingly only told her friends
she literally did nothing wrong but her dickhead roommate/alleged partner did a shooting and now she’s being outed on fox news
We should probably hold off on assigning pronouns to this person before we actually know for sure what they identify as.
So far all we have is very inconclusive.
I was thinking about this last night. Did Tyler do it because he thought he was helping his friend? If so this is a great reason why you don’t do adventurism. You’re not a superhero, you’re not helping. Lana (I think that’s the name she wanted to use) was already going through a lot with her family. They were all cultist Mormons trying to exercise the demons out of her. She was trying to get away and avoid that life. She found some respite online and with people who accepted her. Now she’s likely going to end up being in heavy shit through no choice of her own. Because Tyler wanted to be a hero. She was always in danger, it being Utah, but now she is in more danger.
When people have feelings like they want to do something, they need to be able to talk about it. Tyler needed to go to someone who wasn’t also a 20-year old with a martyr complex.
I really hope he did it for his own sake. It could be disastrous if he was on some Jodie Foster shit
Allegedly snitching to the cops about someone allegedly shooting an unrepentant Nazi is collaborator behavior if accurate. It doesn’t justify the bigotry they’re being subjected to, but they did (allegedly) willingly put their neck in the jaws of a wild animal in the hope that it would eat their roommate.
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Where do you draw the line between not talking to the cops and giving the cops every single bit of information they ask for?
You do cross the line into collaborating with the cops at some point or another, that is a given. The question here is where you draw that line. I doubt many people have really thought about it or asked themselves where that line is.
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Ok so, this is going to sound extremely blunt but it sounds like your position is actually that you’re totally ok with collaborating with cops against someone who kills a fascist because other fascists are going to be mad about it involving a specific minority and that will harm other members of the minority?
So like, let’s say we’re in the 1920s/30s - if someone with connection to a jewish person kills a nazi and that would cause a crackdown against jews by other nazis, is it acceptable for people to collaborate with those in charge to catch this nazi killer? At what quantity of collaboration do these jews start getting viewed as kapos?
I’m not sure if “he’s gonna get the death sentence anyway” matters as the roommate was collaborating with police before the killer was arrested.
This is all with the assumption that the other party wasn’t aware of what’s happening. Yes, if you’re going to be a savior of marginalized people, don’t put those people in the situation where they’re having to lie to the cops unless they’re in on it and okay with doing so.
You don’t have to lie. Just become temporarily very forgetful.
That is still lying and still carries all of the same psychological difficulties in terms of actually pulling it off.
Have you ever had to lie by omission to any sort of authority figure? Particularly likely already being traumatized by interactions with authority figures, like a LOT of trans people are?
If you don’t have difficulties with that, you genuinely have nerves of steel and that’s extremely impressive, but even if you’re convinced ‘temporarily becoming very forgetful’ is something most trans people are capable of successfully doing, this is a situation that is 1000x worse than anything anyone would reasonably expect to deal with it.
It’s not just cops, it’s cops investigating a fucking political assassination and looking for anything they can to blame this on you specifically and people like you, it is the number 1 news item in the entire country! The stakes and psychological stress are so much fucking higher - I definitely couldn’t keep my shit together while being ‘very forgetful’ with all this stress on me, honestly. Especially not with cops poking and proding for any cracks in that front.
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I have made no value judgement in any of the above replies regarding the event.
A fascist was shot. A person is collaborating with the cops to catch the shooter of the fascist.
Those are just the facts. I haven’t given my own opinion at all, I just wanted to do an exercise because I suspect everyone has a different line for where it becomes ok vs not ok and I think causes many problems.
My personal take is that I think no amount of collaboration is acceptable. I think people should shut the fuck up. You saw nothing. You say nothing. You do nothing. You give the absolute fucking minimum to cover your own ass and that’s it. Any tolerance of collaboration - any amount of leeway given - will result in everyone judging that their own personal situation makes it acceptable to give information. Is this hardnosed? Fuck yes it is. It’s about as hardnosed as it was in Ireland during the Troubles where you say one fucking word out of line and you’ll have some nice IRA men visiting your house for a beating. Why is it necessary to be this firm about it? Because any inch given will result in people collaborating. So not even one single inch should be given.
That’s my personal position. I don’t think there’s any room to allow people to judge on a case by case basis.
Was killing Kirk a bad idea? Yeah it probably was. Does it change the fact people should shut the fuck up? Not for me.
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They weren’t implicated or involved until they choose to involve themselves by snitching to the police. The state has never required justification to oppress trans people, and there is no amount of collaboration with law enforcement that will ever make trans people more safe. Snitching to the police has not made this person, or trans people generally, more safe or less harassed by the state.
It’s not murder if you kill a Nazi. Murder is when you wrongfully kill someone.
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I have ideas for how to address judges who defend Nazis but I don’t think you’d like them.
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The reality the rest of you live in is bleak as hell so I’m honestly fine with that.
Also that’s leaning dangerously close to sanism. You are aware of that?