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“Why does the bully not simply use their words to resolve any disagreements they might have with the smaller child?”

This is what you do when you just can’t figure out the logistics of keeping a burning cross lit on the lawn 24/7

political violence isn’t a tool that works for the left

I don’t think we’re better off with Kirk dead, genuinely.

That’s certainly a take that you’re entitled to, but not one that I can relate to. I don’t think Hitler’s ideas would be less popular today if he were still alive to act on them. America has been killing and criminalizing marginalized people for more than two centuries. Even the people who are nominally fans of Kirk couldn’t make it more clear that they truly could not give less of a shit about him. They hated trans people and leftists yesterday, they hate them today, they’ll hate them tomorrow. The sun rose the day before Kirk died, and it rose again the day after. This is the long, continuous, and inevitable result of imperial decay, not a consequence of one rando tripping over his dick and landing on the button turns America into a genocidal settler colony.

I am trying to get to the bottom of when snitching is acceptable, but I don’t think it’s NEVER a justifiable action.

There’s no way this isn’t going to sound accusatory, but I don’t mean it as an accusation: If someone on this site accepts the premise that we are ruled by fascists who hate them unconditionally and want to see them dead, and believes that they can secure favorable treatment for themselves by proactively reaching out to the fascists to mark their friends, neighbors and family for death, why should anyone on this site believe that such a person wouldn’t dox everyone here at the first opportunity?

The killing of Kirk was not part of any strategy, which means that there is no organization prepared to defend against retaliation. Kirk’s killer almost definitely did not, and I would guess has little empathy for those retaliated against, maybe even hoping for the retaliation.

We don’t know who the shooter is or what their motivations are. This is all pure speculation based on like fifth hand hearsay originating from alleged leaks from law enforcement.

And so a trans person protecting themselves

Again, we don’t even know if this informant is trans. We don’t know if they’re roommates or lovers with the suspect, and we don’t know that the suspect had anything to do with the shooting. What’s happening in this thread is people running with unsubstantiated speculation sourced from the most unhinged bigots online, then inventing scenarios to justify rhetorically aligning themselves with imperial law enforcement and against killing Nazis.

I don’t actually have to justify the tactical or strategic merit of somebody sacrificing their life to take out Charlie Kirk. It’s something that somebody did. They didn’t need my permission, twitter’s permission, reddit’s permission, or DSA’s permission to do it. If this person were a member of a demcent party that I was a part of, then I’d be right there insisting that this is adventurism: undermining the collectively determined party strategy with unilateral individual action would be bad party discipline. Given that there’s no evidence this person was part of an ML party outside the delusions of imperial law enforcement, it seems pointless to retroactively scold an anonymous person for not holding to the hypothetical standards of a nonexistent party of which they’re not a member based on an ideology they don’t believe. Whatever they believed, whyever they did it, the world is better off with one fewer Nazi. They’re responsible for that action, and one way or another they’ll definitely pay for it with their life. What they’re not responsible for is the US doing the exact same shit it’s already been doing for the last 250 years.

And so a trans person protecting themselves from it by being a snitch is qualitatively different from snitching on any resistance act

I really don’t think it is. It’s understandable, for sure. It doesn’t take an enormous leap to see why people sacrifice others thinking it will gain them some favor in the eyes of an abuser. We only know this person exists because they chose to contact the police. The entire internet is wildly speculating about their gender only because they chose to contact the police. I recognize the odds aren’t exactly zero that the cops would eventually consider them a person of interest in the investigation, but I don’t understand the argument that they’re more “protected” now by inviting the attention of the people harassing them than they would be if they’d just done nothing. If anything, this person is infinitely more fucked now. No amount of collaboration will ever be enough to avoid tabloid scrutiny for the rest of their life. Even assuming they’d never broken a law, I’d expect there’s a considerably greater chance now of them facing threats of prison time (or worse) if they fail to produce the testimony that Trump wants. The consequences are dire for ignoring the first rule of the US criminal legal system.

Why would they? They don’t need to bother establishing a common set of facts in order to tell people how to feel about it.

useless and possibly actually working against a greater strategy can be the correct choice for a broader movement

To be extremely clear: there is currently no broader movement in the US materially impeding fascism. What’s being rounding up to a “movement” is disconnected anonymous people posting online about how they’d prefer something different, waiting and hoping for spontaneous internal reform while repeatedly disclaiming any violence or lawbreaking. What’s being done here is indistinguishable from the liberals insisting that Hamas is harming Palestinians by giving the IOF an “excuse” to continue their genocide, undermining the “movement for a two-state solution”, and that Palestinians should work with the IOF to identify targets in the interest of keeping themselves safe.

If nobody knew, nobody wanted it, then it’s qualitatively very distinct from resistance movements and should be treated very differently.

So you’re suggesting that what makes killing the Nazi bad is that the shooter didn’t implicate more people in a criminal conspiracy before accomplishing the same objective?

They weren’t implicated or involved until they choose to involve themselves by snitching to the police. The state has never required justification to oppress trans people, and there is no amount of collaboration with law enforcement that will ever make trans people more safe. Snitching to the police has not made this person, or trans people generally, more safe or less harassed by the state.

she literally did nothing wrong

Allegedly snitching to the cops about someone allegedly shooting an unrepentant Nazi is collaborator behavior if accurate. It doesn’t justify the bigotry they’re being subjected to, but they did (allegedly) willingly put their neck in the jaws of a wild animal in the hope that it would eat their roommate.

To be fair, this is probably the most loving and responsive he’s been their entire relationship.

Hogseth can’t even keep track of his marriage

Too scared to show up for a debate on his own show I see.

…and yet, it hasn’t shattered their utter subservience.

She seems to be doing a bad job keeping his movement alive. He hasn’t moved in days.

I don’t typically give this milquetoast socdem a lot of credit, but in terms of things he could say to rile up voters with absolutely zero intent to follow through, I have to admit this is a good one.

Yeah, I can’t imagine what it would be like if the United States started abducting, torturing, and executing political enemies.

I dunno dude, Charlie Kirk seems pretty dead to me. I would think it self-evident that nobody attempts an assassination without accepting that the rest of their life as they know it is over either way. Whether shot dead fleeing the scene, caught and imprisoned, caught and executed, or living in hiding from the planet’s most powerful surveillance apparatus, there was never a plausible end to the story where he goes back to paying taxes and posting.

Oh look, a thread full of people who will never kill a single Nazi posting about how they would have been smart enough to do it better. The most flawless opsec imaginable is an embarrassing waste of time for anyone that’s already resigned to living a life completely unthreatening to law enforcement.

To be fair, this is also what Trump would say if they picked up any random person off the street. They want to publicly execute someone and make a big performance of it, and they’ll do it all the same whether they find the person who did it or not.