I mean, he’s correct in that both political parties have been bought and paid for by large corporations for a long time. This shouldn’t be news, it should be plainly obvious by now.
One party is openly hostile towards the average citizen. The other puts on a friendly mask for the public but is also hostile towards the average citizen. None of them actually give a fuck about the average person. Trump is exceptionally arrogant and aggressive with his goals, but I promise he is far from the first person to have such goals or to exploit the government system for personal gain. He is the first to be so obvious about it, but it has been happening for decades, hidden under the guise of ‘security’ and other buzz words.
The news isn’t that the Democratic party is bought and paid for by the oligarchy. The news is that Bernie has stopped playing nice with the DNC.
Thank you for that take; this is the important part. Now I’d like him to get mean, please.
Without organized labor parties to call for strikes or make demands we are really stuck waiting for somebody famous (and who we trust) to say what needs to be said, and organize what needs to be organized. And it needs to happen soon. In Bernie we could trust.
Is, “influenced by billionaires,” a euphemism for, “she let her uber executive brother-in-law talk her into gutting any economic populism from her campaign in favor of tepid centrist policies that cost her the election and ushered in a new era of American fascism?”
I mean I’m not sure Bernie is that woke, much as I love him, but that’s pretty much the view from over here.
I disagree, but I do think he has an outdated notion of civil politics and wouldn’t make the same point in connection with her. I’m surprised he said as much about Harris, though I’m grateful if it helps dissuade the Dems from re-nominating her.
I dont know if you’ve been to reddit but there are a ton of Gavin Newsom posts. They’re probably gonna force this blue conservative down the voting publics throats.
And all i hear are crickets from the democratic party regarding replacing First-past-the-post voting in the blue states they control. The democrats will never release their hostages willingly.
Nobody trusts the DNC, we just don’t know what to do otherwise at this point. How DO we the people get past the 2 party system? How DO we reduce the powers of the presidency without a president themselves reducing those powers? How do we get someone in that seat who will actually act in our interests? How DO we get a bought-and-paid-for congress out of their seats when money runs unchecked through our politics?
I’ve been posting on the Jon Stewart 2028 thread. At least over there I get to dream that somebody might already be popular enough with the electorate to forgo the DNC’s king-making process. We’re in a bad way and not getting set up for success in the next cycle.
I mean, I voted for her, and would vote for her again any day if it meant voting against Trump, but he’s not wrong.
She’s not really unique in that aspect compared to any other mainstream Democrat vs any outsider or mainstream Republican, and that’s probably ~90% of the DNC’s problem when it comes to overcoming voter apathy.
Realistically, most people are not expecting Dems to refuse large donations, but accepting a donation should not mean that you then compromise your own values to accommodate 1% of voters on any issue. That’s not how a democracy is supposed to work. That’s just pay to play.
Its so stupid to me that we’ve now reached the point that politicians don’t even pretend to be public servants anymore. They’re just paypigs doing whatever the money wants. Used to be, a campaign donation got you a “hi how are ya” and maybe a thank you card after the election. They sent you money and it was nice of them because you needed it.
Now with kamala, she got the largest grassroots fundraising of any candidate in history and what does she do? Listen to a bunch of rich fucks who gave the maximum contribution. I bet they all voted for Trump too. She’s either the most incompetent and gullible politician in american history or the dnc are fascist collaborators. The way she turned away from every popular idea she had makes it seem like she was told to lose. Im sure its been fucking great for her brother tho.
The big money on both sides is invested in the same places.
The rest follows from that.
The Dems though paint this like it’s a “necessary evil” they just have to accept all these donations from the ultra wealthy because you can’t win any other way
So the position starts off cynically pragmatic, and cynical pragmatism makes for a shitty rallying cry.
But then it doesn’t even work. They sell out to get the big money donations and then lose.
Ineffective cynical pragmatism is an even worse rallying cry.
And any time you get a Sanders or a Mamdani that shows a different path to success they go “oh sure that worked for them but it wouldn’t work anywhere else, only our cynical pragmatism works everywhere as long as you ignore all these electoral defeats”
The Dems though paint this like it’s a “necessary evil” they just have to accept all these donations from the ultra wealthy because you can’t win any other way
So the position starts off cynically pragmatic, and cynical pragmatism makes for a shitty rallying cry.
But then it doesn’t even work. They sell out to get the big money donations and then lose.
Ineffective cynical pragmatism is an even worse rallying cry.
And any time you get a Sanders or a Mamdani that shows a different path to success they go “oh sure that worked for them but it wouldn’t work anywhere else, only our cynical pragmatism works everywhere as long as you ignore all these donations from electoral defeats”
Bernie is correct as per usual.
If only being correct has value with society at large…
Maybe he should start a podcast. Seemed to have worked for the right.
Hes 100% right, she started the campaign great talking about progressive real issues, then when she started changing thats when she started losing support
No no no. She ran a perfect campaign.
I have it on good authority that she was stabbed in the back by far-left, transgender, pro-Putin antisemites.
Next time - and there will be a next time, it’s her turn - she needs to be even more friendly with moderate Republicans and win back the Joe Rogan demographic. The Democrats need their own Jordan Peterson. They need their own Yeomni Park. They need their own Curtis Yarvin. They need their own X, The Everything App.
That is the only way to win the coveted American swing voter.
I hear it may be Gavin Newsom’s turn. Just shoot me.
We choose the lesser evil. Now, look what happened when people don’t act and give up.
This seems to be how the majority of Democrats in office are and they’ll never see themselves as wrong… They just point at Trump and say he’s what’s wrong. And yeah they’re not wrong about that but that doesn’t make them right or good either. You get stuck running for a bad candidate or a downright evil candidate. And yeah I voted for Harris. I voted for Biden and Hilary too. Id vote for a literal log of shit on the floor before I voted for Trump, but that doesn’t mean I liked the Democratic candidates or that I’m super happy with party. This country isn’t set up to make third party candidates an option… But no…I don’t think the Democrats in office will every see themselves as a problem.
A third of your comment is a disclaimer that democrats arent exactly the same as Republicans. Sorry, you are well below the 69% threshold, and are now a secret Republican nazi Russian communist who loves trump with all your heart! /$
Well, duuuhhh. Is this a new or unique take?
Bernie is pointing out one of the major flaws of the Democratic Party and he is way ahead of his time in regard to US politics. Can you imagine if the USA would look at itself like Norway.
An oil producing enthostate governed by a neoliberal plutocracy?
I think we already tried that under Bush, Obama, and Biden.
Harris & 95% or more of the democratic party. Outlaw money from politics - lobbying, campaign finance, PACs, political foundations (i.e. Heritage), all of it.
The DNC is committed to insider trading, corruption and AIPAC. In no way do they represent the interests of the majority. They are rewarded handsomely to play reluctant enabler in the political theater.
Unfortunate truth here. The modern dnc exists solely to enrich their donors.
I mean he is right
“I think the key to Democratic victories is to understand that you got to stand unequivocally with the working class of this country,” Sanders said. “You need an agenda that speaks to the needs of working people."
Yep
Harris said on July 30 that she won’t run for California governor, leaving the door open for a potential 2028 presidential run.
Leaving the door open for her to run again or for someone else? How is being Governor relevant anyhow?
The door is open for her
As far as I know, one could be elected as California Governer in 26 and still legally run for president in 28, but it would be a lot, and open to attack for using CA as a stepping stone etc
Kamala not going for CA governor in 26 is being used as evidence for a 28 presidential run - it is kinda tenuous, but not completely out of nothing
Stepping stone? She already ran for president!
Bernie Sanders whines about Democrats. But seriously, he has been in politics forever. What has actually done? I understand Bernie says the right things. But can we actually look at what a politician does before we support them? I love what Bernie says, and how he has recently rallied. But I need more before I can support a bashing of people who have actually done what they say.
Tad late after sheepdogging the entire Democratic base to vote for her.
Durr nobody should advocate for harm reduction durrrrrrrrr
Is that what most of us have been doing?
Sure, exactly what Bernie was doing. So like, we agree then that Bernie was correct to endorse Harris even if she became kind of a shit sandwich along the way.
Unlike this guy, who I guess would rather have Bernie tell his supporters to vote for Trump? Not endorse? It’s unclear because their position is so mindless, which is why I replied what I did.
how’s that working out for you bud?
and he’s a zionist shill that doesn’t really have a position to stand on either. calling him progressive when he’s a liberal zionist is absolutely batshit.
Bernie, Jon Stewart and some other Jewish people condemned what’s going on in Palestine and does not support killing kids. Can you back your story? Maybe there’s something I don’t know. Now most normal people of empathy does not support what Hamas did to innocent Jews, same as the zionist are doing to innocent Palestinians and West Bank on a greater scale as an excuse to sieze more land.
Starting on February 21st, 2025, he set off on the “Fighting Olligarchy Tour” with the other pathetic liberal zionist where he stated that Isntreal has a right to exist. He received criticism and yet still removed and silenced Pro-Palestinian protestors from his rallies. His exact statement from the rally:
“Israel, like any other country, has the right to defend itself from terrorism, but it does not have the right to wage all out war against the Palestinian people”
The only terrorists are the settlers occupying that land and for him to allude to Hamas being a terrorist organization is just more proof of his ignorance. An indigenous resistance group is NOT a terrorist when they’re trying to liberate themselves from the terrorist settlers that are trying to genocide them.
Not only does he actively defend Isntreal’s right to exist but he has also been called out for his voting record. Especially his vote to confirm Marco Rubio. As an indigenous person, that settler is nothing more than another pale face devil that pretends to act like some white savior when in fact the language he uses is actively causing harm to society.
If Israel doesn’t have a right to exist what is the alternative in your opinion?
Revoke statehood until both are recognized? Or a one-state, but that’s a stretch.
Eradicate its existence and give sovereignty back to the indigenous people of Palestine.
So, genocide.
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It’s nice to know the mods here think that states that do genocide deserve to exist.
just because you kkkrackers love to genocide people doesn’t mean we do. stop projecting your fantasies onto others.
Using a racial slur while saying that is highly ironic
Bernie Sanders has literally said that Isntreal has a right to exist and defends its status as a state. No state has the right to exist. That pale face poser actively shuts down pro-Palestinian voices at his rallies and talks, ignores the criticism on how he speaks about the genocide, all while protecting his precious Isntreal.
Bernie supports sending interceptors to Israel and get out of here comparing the Nazis to their resisting victims.
