We are a women’s only community, so please no male comments.
Edit: thanks all for reporting the hostile remarks! You really are an amazing group of people. Really appreciate how positive so many men have been as well. I see you all and value you ❤️
I’m really looking forward coming back to this community tomorrow, with the knowledge that many deeply unpleasant people have been banned and will not be around anymore.
The moderators of this community do an exquisite job. Rules are enforced, but with kindness. All rule breaking is treated as an honest mistake, unless proven otherwise.
Even though this thread is filled with vitriol, there is no censorship. No comments were removed by moderators. Bans are not applied retroactively.
Thanks so much for the work you do for this community! Keep it up! ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks Hilde, I really appreciate it. We’re blessed to have some brilliant people here, which makes the job a lot easier!
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“I’m a hardcore racist and misogynist and I’m pissed I can’t express these views at work anymore.” - author.
Note to the men reading this, you can upvote comments you agree with freely.
Remember, the comment section on every internet post about feminism only goes to show, um, how provocative this kind of rhetoric is.
I mean… Good? We nowadays have these things called “societal norms”, which means everyone needs to think before they open their big stupid mouths.
You know what real pros do? They were already aware of this, and were already doing this.
If you have to be taught these lessons now, well, take it as a learning opportunity. Expand your horizons. Enhance your compassion.
Legit, i read this out to the hubs (a white male) and his response was a bewildered “what the fuck are they doing that they have to be afraid??”
White dude here, in the US, currently sitting at work. (Sorry to disobey the “women only community” request, but I hope this is constructive and maybe even reaches some angry guy lurking.)
And I’m walking on fuckin’ sunshine over here because I’m nice to people and I got myself out of the Conservatism Spectrum Disorder shit that I was born into.
It’s funny how things work…
Being white? Fine. I’ve never been attacked for it, even by people who have very much the opposite of white privilege.
Being a dude? Also working out well. I have a hell of a sex drive for a middle aged dad-bodder, and of course there are attractive people at work, yet I have managed to not stalk or grab or attack or cat call anybody. (the exception for some of those is my wife, in a good way)
There are a whole lot of bad men out there. Being a good one requires recognizing that. If you’re already resisting that concept then you’re already way off track because we’re talking about half of humanity.
And if you feel like you’re walking on eggshells, yeah maybe it’s some other toxic person’s fault, but make sure to take a long hard look at yourself too. That feeling of self-consciousness or embarrassment might be you starting to get it.
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Sorry to disobey the “women only community” request
“Request?” Dude. Read the rules.
I should have sent a PM, but I want others to see this since you’re getting upvoted, and the mods here are courteous: do not treat a community’s #1 rule as a ‘request’ just because that rule says ‘women only’. I would never, ever comment here other than to point out the hypocrisy of such a violation.
The rules are printed many times, very visibly and unambiguously.
You want to discuss? You can make a post in some other community, linking this one.
…but I hope this is constructive and maybe even reaches some angry guy lurking.
Sent from an ‘angry guy lurking’: Your comment, disrespecting a space like this, makes me feel far worse. You make me feel self-consciousness, like I’m walking on eggshells.
(Apologies, mods, please community ban me if that seems warranted).
I get that you think you’re being an ally here by defending us.
But what kind of ally directly disrespects their counterpart by ignoring the rules because they’re angry? What kind of ally then does this twice in the same thread after someone points it out? How are you being an “ally” by assuming we poor little weak women can’t handle our own defence?
The rule here is very clearly written:
It boils down to two words: “women only”. Which one didn’t you understand when you decided to be exactly like the men you’re castigating?
I am mod and I absolutely never ban supportive people or delete supportive comments. We take a lot of manosphere shit here, and we all really do appreciate the men that have our backs. Obviously don’t comment again, but I honestly am grateful for you
I would never, ever comment here other than to point out the hypocrisy of such a violation.
Seems like “rules for thee but not for me” if you think it’s okay for you to break the rules to comment but not @Zink.
Agreed. Was an angry impulse, sorry (and I should have PM’d him).
you are still breaking the rule. This again demonstrates that you think it’s okay to comment if it is “meta” somehow.
Hey, I get where you’re coming from, especially since everything calmed down before I checked the reply.
However, I want you to consider where I came from. Like literally what led me here. It was from my “All” feed. I don’t really recognize the name of this community, so it’s probably either my first time interacting with a post here, or I’ve interacted with the community in the past but was also ignorant of where the posts were coming from.
So when I referred to the “request,” it wasn’t because I read the rules and subscribed and then came in to plead that I get special rules. It was because I was close to tapping “Post” and I saw some caption text asking for only women to reply. That’s why I said anything.
One of the things that keeps me coming back to Lemmy every single day is being able to hear the direct words of people very different from me without having to go through algorithms and corporate filters. When it comes to communities on here dedicated to a certain demographic or to marginalized groups, it’s usually pretty clearly “X group and allies” because it’s more about having a safe space and less about exclusion or gatekeeping. And it seems like the decent folks here are no different!
And I’m not accusing you of the exclusion/gatekeeping stuff. I get that it was just a rush of anger with my wording and with you actually knowing the community rules, etc. But hey now thanks to this I’m going to subscribe and follow this community. And maybe I’ll break the letter of the law and comment again, but I’ll probably follow the spirit of the law 99% of the time. :)
Thanks Zink, but if you comment again I’ll ban you. I don’t like to ban people who are being supportive, but you’re knowingly breaking the rules so I’ll have to.
Zink thanks so much for popping by! As you mentioned we are women only, so please don’t comment again, thanks for understanding 😊
As a white man on the work I am indeed afraid to speak freely about breadcrumb salary, micromanagement and unrealistic deadlines.
Hey cub thanks for popping in! We are women only so please don’t comment again 🥰
Oh my, I know about this space, but didn’t see where I am actually. Leaving. Sorry
It’s fine no problem at all and I really appreciate your respectful comment. Have a good night!
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You wouldn’t be walking on eggshells if you didn’t want to say shit that’d upset people
Look, i just think we should exterminate the brutes and enslave every category of person that doesnt include me. Why do you people need to be so god damn sensitive? Cant even say a ten minute long string of slurs in public anymore, for ****** ****** **** **** fucking ******'s sake.
Yep!
The snowflakes told me i shouldn’t say the n word, now my cheeks are all wet and my nose won’t stop runnibg. They’re all so sensitive and fragile it makes me sick, im shaking so much i cant even tie this anger noose i was going to use to kill myself out of anger. Their sensitivity hurts me so much; it’s not fair.
I have a right to oppress other groups! I’m being persecuted whhhyyy meeeeeeeee???
Telling me i can’t have chattel slaves means you hate freedom. Why do you hate freedom?
Shitting on men
No male comments
With all due respect, I do not believe this should be allowed, should it?
Terrible when men do this, no better when done by women
Gotta love this take on “shitting on”.
You: “Endure” mild criticism of broadcasting your point of view 24×7 in every conceivable locale (to the point you’re broadcasting it now in a group explicitly asking you not to do it).
We: Endure non-stop sexist comments, sexual advances, sexual assaults and, upon suggesting that perhaps this is not such a good idea, get dog-piled by men with hurt fee-fees, get doxxed, get threats of active sexual assault, and in extreme cases take beatings and even get murdered.
We are not the same. Our concerns are not the same. Don’t be a putz and pretend they are.
Hey, I am genuinely sympathetic to your concerns, and there’s no need to make it an attack. Moreover, I’m not supportive of people saying anything without regards of how it affects others - I genuinely despise people doing what you describe.
I’m only calling for basic ethics while you’re at it - it’s never a good idea to go after a certain extremely wide and diverse group of people (white men, in this case, but can be any other) and then restrict them from setting the record straight. Everyone has the right to stand up for themselves.
Without it, we get violent echo chambers that get more and more detached from reality, and also anger those that are targeted to no benefit, which is antithetical to a productive change.
Think of the manosphere bullshit that goes extremely violent, has absolutely nothing of valid substance and drowns any female voices. This is it. This is what you get over time if you ignore the other side.
And this is why male voices are going to spring up here - and women are gonna keep rightfully attacking the manosphere. No one needs the escalation of bullshit and angering that happens with it.
Well we could just chase you off with horrifically abusive commentary, doxxing, rape threats and the usual methods but it seemed like too much work.
What I said is not in support of that, and I have to make it clear.
What you describe is criminal activity, and it should be so.
Lol. Lmfao. Hahahahaha
Have you considered the health benefits of eating 10k calories a day, then chasing the dragon off to dreamland every night?
As a white man I find walking on eggshells to have an extreme rejuvenating effect on my skin, making my feet feel soft, refreshed, and ready to take whatever the night has to offer.
Haha thanks enthusiasm! We are trans inclusive women only, so please don’t comment again thanks for understanding 😊
Why - did they hear people had eggshells they don’t want walked on?
Its actually wild the shit some dudes say at work when they think they’re in a safe space with other dudes.
At least my women coworkers in Ottawa were straight-up and in my face with their racism.
BFH: talking about Chinese people You know that they just don’t value life like we do.
Everybody Else: looks at me sitting at the same damned table
BFH: Oh not you Dianne! We all know you’re one of the good ones.
I’m better equipped to deal with that kind of naked aggression than I am at the kind that’s quiet and sullen when I’m around but that pipes up when I’m out of the room.
Through the years I’ve been called some heinous things to my face in jest, back where I grew up minorities were few and far between. You learn to laugh it off and not be offended, but then it slowly shapes your view of your own identity, it taught me to be ashamed of who I was, including subconscious racism to my own people which I am still battling with. I realized that to white people I’ll always just be said minority, my friendship just a commodity, and to my own kind I’m too white to relate to, so now I just feel disconnected from everyone.
I had to move half-way around the planet to get in touch with the half of my heritage that I’d drowned out (to the point of being a total banana) to even understand just how toxic it is to be a “visible minority” (and that term by itself now raises a huge number of red flags for me!) in Canada. So now I push back. Hard.
Speaking as the whitest bitch on the planet, and most generally compassionate person in my immediate family: i do not value ‘life’ literally at all, and i challenge anyone to give me a non-mystical explanation that’s valuable in itself, and not just ‘because it’s a thing i am and im really clutching at straws to feel special and important’.
So now you can tell them that the most anti human life-devaluing bitch you ever met was white as fuck. And that i called you ‘unrefrigerated meat’.
Edit: Malthus. Von misis. Schlafly. Kissenger. Everyone involved with developing the doctrine of MAD.
I can assure you in the construction industry they are saying and doing every little thing they want without any consequences bless their hearts
Ahh, so white men are finally developing some social awareness. That’s excellent news, thank you for sharing, Fox.
Can’t spew hate anymore without someone going ‘that’s not nice’. Political corectness gone mad.
Can’t we be awful to innocent bystanders in peace???
Every time I start to feel bad for these men, I remember every time I was either victimized or made to feel uncomfortable on purpose and I no longer feel bad about it. I think there is an aspect of me that is able to sympathize, but a bigger part is fucking bitter and wants to see them get a taste of their own medicine.
You do realise not every man hurt you right? We have feelings too you know, attitudes like this is exactly why suicide in men is so high at the moment
Maybe every man needs a good reminder why hurting others is wrong. If some don’t hurt people they have nothing to worry about. Maybe those who are so resistant to seeing positive change have heavy burdens they are carrying and should look inward instead of outward.
oh is it my turn now?
ahem…
please read the rules. Women’s only community.
Sorry about how you’re feeling, I do sympathize, but please share it elsewhere.
I don’t care if it’s a women’s only community, the double standards is disgusting, how do you think it would go down if I went online and posted that I hate all women and want them to suffer because I had a couple of bad experiences
Suffer how? Suffer from the consequences of our own actions? Fine! Let every person on earth answer for their crimes against others.
Women have been walking on eggshells among other horrors for 99.9% of recorded history for no reason, but we haven’t had the privilege until very recently to call it out. Men have to suffer consequences by witnessing the harm of their own actions for .00000001% of history and expect everyone else to weep for them. Either take some responsibility or shut the fuck up and let us have our fucking MOMENT of justice.
I don’t sympathize anymore.
Thanks so much for popping by! We are women only and keep this a positive community so I’ve had to ban you. All the very best 💘
Of course you don’t care. You’re a man! You simply must be heard. Especially when your precious fee-fees are hurt. We all know, after all, how fragile and emotional men are, what with all the hormones coursing through their bodies turning them into unreasoning, quivering piles of fraught emotion!
This whole thread and community is a bad solution to a real problem.
great opinion from someone who’s never ever commented on any post in this community save to complain about it being exclusionary after it pinged on the Upset Male Radar
I will break the rules too just to reply to you. She does not use the word “hate” even once AND she starts avoiding generalizing by saying “these men”… and here you are taking it personally, so I can just assume that you are one of “these men”, further proved by how you come to a women’s only space and then disregard their feelings/needs, thank you for proving their point.
Your neeeeeeeeed to be heaaaaaaard is Not Our Problem
Don’t worry. If he goes another five minutes with more than two living women not worshipping his dick (one if his mom is dead), he’ll kill random strangers until it’s our problem.
Im getting popcorn. You’re great.
Very cool.
This isn’t the place for your feelings. You were, in fact, asked explicitly to not comment. Why the fuck did you think you were entitled to?
Do you have literally any self awareness?
Don’t actually answer any of that here. I already know the answer. I think the idea of this place was for it to be a place women could talk about stuff without being dogpiled by subhuman filth, and not need to spemd rhe entire conversation explaining incredibly basic ehit to ‘people’ who are determined to not understand it.
Tell you what, edit that comment with a link to an explanation of all your feelings. Promise I’ll be nice.
If it makes you feel any better, it’s actually a result of psychological warfare in a post-mutual destruction world.
