https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2025/06/30/canadians-react-to-cancelling-digital-services-tax/
Duh. No one elected them to go elbows down. Gonna be a short lived minority.
So does no one here understand the concept of manufactured chaos as a distraction ?
The service tax was put in place ages ago but was never enforced. It’s the same trick with the whole border czar bullshit where Donald needs to feel big about something as a distraction despite its a throw away card and often something that was already agreed upon even without the US.
Carney only kicked it up for Donald’s ego to feel like he made a deal. Why? Cuz Cheeto thrives on drama. Meanwhile Canada stole the wheat export market from right under the nose of trump. As well as a few other things no doubt.
Canada is slowly disempowering US but needs some keys to periodically dangle in Donald’s face while they do it.
Sheinbaum is a pro at this game and has been playing it cleanly for 7 months. Carney’s simply following suit.
I’m gonna need some citations or sources for that.
AFAIK, the service tax was not “put in place ages ago”. It was put in force in June 2024, literally last year, and the first payments were expected literally yesterday, on June 30th, 2025. It’s retroactive, but still only goes back to 2022, which isn’t “ages ago”. Source
And what’s this wheat market steal you’re talking about?
I agree with your skepticism on this one.
Especially given what we can see with regards to US tech companies being complicit with a bunch of the authoritarian stuff going on down south, moves to disrupt their monopolies and try and foster a more local industry makes a ton of sense. Many of Carney’s decisions lately align with US interests more so than Canada. It’s not overly surprising, he’s not pro-Canadian companies / people, but pro-business and international trade (at the expense of locals if need be), in a fairly generic neo-liberal way.
Also, bending over right before Canada day is just such a dick thing to do as PM. He should be trying to lead / inspire national pride, not appeasing foreign interests, for at least like 1 week of his term.
Still prolly better than PP would’ve been though. With PP we would’ve had Elon here Musking up the place.
Rutte did it too with his daddy comment. Stroke the ego of the big baby and prevent more tantrum from said baby
To the simple minded it looks like that.
But I’ve already explained it goes deeper than that.
Welp big group, none of us are in it. Time to dig some infrastructure.
What’s this about the wheat export market? Can you provide details?
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/connect/contact
Write to him
He needs to resign
Y’all are remembering that it’s us Canadians that will be paying this tax, right? It’s not going to affect any company’s bottom line in the slightest.
That’s fine, it allows Canadian companies (that pay tax on money earned in Canada) to compete
It only applies to a few enormous corporations, that mostly generate revenue through ad sales.
Would Canadian companies really all have increased their Facebook ad budgets over this? I kinda doubt it, tbh
Then why would Trump object to it then?
Because it targets his buddies Zuck and Besos.
Does it target the billionaire tech bros or will Canadians pay it? Which one is it?? If Canadians are gonna pay it - why would Trump care? If it targets billionaire bros - big whoop! It’s so small it doesn’t even register.
Canadians pay it and are hopefully turned to other options, smaller companies, and hopefully Canadian ones. That would drive Amazon’s business down, and that hurts the billionaires more than the tax.
Becuase it maaaaaaybe dissuades SOME people from buying the service so there’s maaaaaaybe less revenue for the mega corps.
So yea… It maybe kinda sorta… Hurts mega corps, but it absolutely is a tax paid by Canadians.
Now you might say the tax is good because it funds shit for Canadians, but that’s a separate argument.
So yea, this is maybe? good for Canadians, since Canadians are getting absolutely FUCKED by anything digital / mobile / internet related.
If anything I’d love to see the Canadian market forced open for US telecoms, because as shitty as telecom is in the US its far FAR worse in Canada.
Yep, I’m slightly upset. Does he actually think something worthwhile is going to come out of the negotiations?
I can’t believe Carney was a spineless liberal moron all along! Who knew?
I mean… On the things to cave on… Caving on a tax paid by CANADIANS is not the worst thing in the world.
But the bigger part here is that we finally stopped trade negotiations, and now we can assume this means they are starting again
Always remember who we voted against. We would need special instruments to measure how quickly Polyestre would have caved.
Yeah I know. PP is a Trump fluffer to the ultimate. He would have been an unmitigated catastrophe and it troubles me how close that fuckwhit came. And how he continues to try to remain. But unless Carney shows tangible results (which includes NOT capitulation to fash), his term as PM will be one and done.
Our choice was Nazi’s or standard conservatives disguised as liberals who are still just monarchists and kowtow to strongmen fantasies.
Either way we’re bound to regress.
Already sent an email to my MP, at least it’s something.
Me too - people are pissed. We do not capitulate to fash. Poland and Austria did and Germany still invaded them.
I’m curious to hear Charlie Angus’s response to this capitulation.
Just a sidenote, Austria was as much victim as it was perpetrator under the nazi regime.
Sure, after they were a perpetrator and supported them for literally the entire war, they fell victim. Just like Russia, etc.
You don’t get to side with Nazi’s/fascists even once, and then claim victim-hood.
Austria was annexed before the war.
I would send an email to my MP but he is a do nothing back bencher who will take credit for Carney’s failures.
Mine’s a cabinet minister 🤢
Like I’m emailing anyway but it’s gonna be swiftly ignored.
Try sending an actual written letter: maybe it will be a little bit attention because in this day and age of e-mail, it’s actual paper letters that are oddities that get people’s attention.
For anyone who’s not aware, letters to your MP (and certain other members of the federal government) are postage free, so you don’t need a stamp.
Note this doesn’t apply to provincial positions, so you’d have to stamp a letter to an MLA.
Maybe I will email mine then if you know nothing is going to happen? Brad Reddicop is a joke and a conservative.
Reddicop is the perfect name for a shitty Reddit mod.
I’ve sent so many emails since all this began. I get no response. Per usual. My MP is indigenous for fuck sakes.
same and it was a nasty one
Why would the Conservatives bring this government down, when it’s doing everything they want and taking the blame?
the conservatives are a joke and they wouldn’t bring the gov down as you suggest, but the Block and the NDP may and either would get my vote at this point… Carney could not have been more backstabby to the people that gave him the PM seat at this point
This seems really premature. I dislike Carney’s policies for a bunch of reasons, but it’s premature to shit on him for this. We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.
The last time Trump threw one of these tantrums, NAFTA morphed into USMCA without much of a hit to our economy (afaiu). If our government can repeat that success while we’re diversifying our economy away from the US then that’s a win.
I really don’t care what the trade deal looks like, letting the US president dictate Canada’s internal tax policy is a bridge too far for me.
THIS ^^^
Well, there was this thing a couple of weeks ago when international law as well as agreed upon nuclear safeguards and processes were well and truly shredded by a genocidal maniac, then he came out tutting against the guys that got attacked out of the blue just like every other G7 lapdog. So far, unimpressed.
We don’t know what the final trade agreement will be.
It doesn’t matter since Trump can reneg on it at any moment as he did with the previous one
What Carney did here is signal trump that he will chicken out even faster than trump does at any tartrum he throws
The US wiped its ass with first NAFTA, now CUSMA, it will wipe its ass with whatever comes from this shitshow. The US cannot be trusted. It’s signature is worthless on any documents. I hope this is all lip service and we are doing the real trade negotiation with the EU, Asia, Lat Am.
precisely, which is why I see zero benefit in appeasing or even negotiating with the orange turd
CACO beats TACO.
You just said why it’s a stupid, stupid thing to do: Trump would have caved anyway. All Carney had to do is wait.
That he would cave so quickly shows how little he values Canadian interests over American profits.
And to that I would just add - people are PISSED. People will literally self-deputize in a second if America rolls in with tanks or drones or whatever (they are already setting the stage for that with their relentless internal and external rhetoric about how “dangerous” Canada is with migrants and terrorists supposedly flooding in to their stupid country from the northern border). This is a very sketchy time. America can 🖕🖕🖕🇨🇦hates you
I always think of this song every time I hear ‘elbows up’.
Carney
Always
Chickens
OutCarney
Often
Cancels
Knowingly
Out of curiousity, how many workers should lose their jobs to appease your sense of righteousness?
A trade negotiation is not the same as bowing to fascism.
Uhhhh in case you didn’t notice - when Amazon in QC unionized, Amazon pulled out of Quebec. We don’t need US digital services, it’s one of the easiest things we can replace. Might be a headache for some workplaces to get off Microsoft, SharePoint, or azure but ultimately - it’s not that hard. IT can do it. We have server farms and digital services in Canada. It’s easy to replace as opposed to say, re-tooling a car factory.
Do you really need Facebook, X, Apple, Netflix, Disney+ shitmaganda!? Or can you grab what you want from Crave or the high Cs. Our newspapers are largely already owned by US hedge fund billionaire massive global corporations - so taxing them at a minuscule rate is nothing to them. And they are free to fuck off doing business in our country if they don’t like the DST. This was a cowardly and weak capitulation on the part of Carney - unless we are infact joining the EU and OECD on a digital service tax as part of a bloc of countries (which could track).
But right now, we don’t know - so am skeptical about what Carney just gave up.
Lol, A) it’s pretty clear you have no idea what the DST is and what it does.
B) Jesus lord, for most offices, converting off Microsoft would be an insane task and a huge IT cost.
I know Lemmy skews young but this is nonsensical.
Yeah, as someone who works in Enterprise environments, I don’t understand where this attitude that it would be easy is coming from.
Fully migrating off those services could take years for some organizations, just like it took years to get them to the level of functionality and interconnectivity they are at today.
The attitude is coming from wishful thinking untempered by knowledge or experience.
If the reason for doing the wrong thing is “the jobs” then you need to rethink your reasoning.
Trump can’t be trusted. Canada did negotiate a new deal first admin, only for Trump to come screaming again saying it was terrible and demanding a new one. It’s bad policy to concede to the US right now.
It’s a trade negotiation, it’s literally all about the jobs.
I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.
By your logic, we should just not do anything with our largest trading partner and I dunno, just wait for almost half a decade until we like the administration?
I get that you aren’t affected but thousands are.
I don’t know where on earth you got the idea that this doesn’t impact me.
The cavalier attitude is a big give away. Usually folks worried about their kids and mortgages understand the costs.
And you would know because you are also impacted?
No, I guess being well read and having empathy kind of allow me to consider how things affect other Canadians who are not me?
So despite the fact that you don’t have proximity to the issue, you’re able to use your reasoning and knowledge of the matter to come up with a valid opinion we all have to respect. But you assume I am not in close proximity to the issue, so I’m not allowed to do that. Is that about right? Just want to make sure we’re on the same page here
Oh God you’re insufferable.
