• Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    It’s antisemitic to make Israelis look bad by highlighting what they say to each other.

    You are only allowed to hear official, sanitised responses from English speaking israelis.

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      Automatic translation of Knesset member’s and regular Israeli’s tweets has been radically eye opening for me. Kinda hard to hold the view of ‘well, Bibi is a monster but he’s the main one pushing this bloodshed’ when you can factcheck genocidal statements in real time, and see the actions try to meet their rhetoric

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        The worst part about it is that, once you know this, every interaction you have with people saying “bibi is a monster” shows you just how bad faith almost everyone involved in the discourse is. After two years of flattening gaza to raucous cheers, unprecedented land grabs in the west bank, and an unprovoked war against iran you’d think people would have looked into a single government official beyond the prime minister to inform their analysis of Israel’s motivations, but no.

        It’s just another empty platitude people can walk out as justification for sitting on their hands while unlimited war crimes play out, day after day, commited by thousands of individuals from the top of the government down to iof privates. No critical thought necessary. Same as the liberals blaming trump as the sole cause of America’s issues. It demonstrates either a lack of awareness or an unwillingness to engage with the larger systemic issues for the sake of avoiding the premise.

        I would say these people should be ignored but its more than half of the people in the discourse and like 99% of the people with any real power. Idk what to do about that.

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        I was under the impression that the entire population of Israel have been brainwashed against Palestinians from birth for decades now.

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          I mean they sanewashed their army as the “most moral army” to the whole world until recently. Their population didn’t stand a chance.

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          How much of that was accessible before social media though? Unless you went looking, Israel generally was a pretty sanitized package on the media landscape, or was framed within the “well we were attacked first” narrative that contextually requires ignoring the prior grievances and violence

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    Sometimes I wish this would happen so that the USA would 180 and invade Israel instead, but like the USS Liberty is evidence that the opposite would happen and the government would just cover it up and send Israel another billion dollars

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        Nationalism isn’t something evil inherently, I like to remind of the “singing revolution”, a peaceful separatists movements of the baltic states to split ties with the soviet occupying force: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Way

        But it can very quickly turn into something evil if utilized by powerhungry regimes

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          Nationalism as a political ideology and nationalism as advocacy for independence of people sharing national identity that isn’t broadly recognized as official nation are two different things sharing the same name. Nationalism as political ideology is inherently evil, as it puts interests of an artifical construct above interests of people, with specific attention put to ingroup and outgroup dynamics. Separatists movements aren’t inherently evil, with the desire of liberation being usually something everyone can stand behind, but if those movements co-opt the nationalist ideology, then they may be classified as evil in my book. Or evil-er. There are no perfect victims and such.

          I feel like it’s a meaningful distinction to make.

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            I disagree with this argument solely for the fact that nationalism as a FUNCTION arises out of a desire to form a cohesive cultural identity that can be defined and can ostensibly provide context for people’s place in a society; something that occurs across the scale of human settlements, but which in our current age manifests primarily in association to a nation-state. I think the point you’re trying to make is that nationalism as an IDEOLOGY is weak and highly prone to exploitation, leading to its broad application by people with evil intentions.

            Also, a reminder that the Confederacy was definitively a separatist movement.

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              Nationalism as a function, to use your terms, doesn’t have to specifically be a result of a desire for cultural identity. It might, but when speaking of it as a function it has a narrower meaning and doesn’t have to carry additional baggage like that, though it may often imply it. When speaking of nationalism as ideology, it definitely fits my definition of evil, by putting artifical values above the wellbeing of people, which nationalism does by definition. Following that logic, nationalism as function isn’t necessarily evil (though it may be if you flavor it with racism or such, like Confederation did), while nationalism as ideology necessarily is. I’m not sure what specifically you were disagreeing with, so I hope I made my point clearer.

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            Nationalism vs Patriotism

            Nationalism - identification with one’s own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

            Patriotism - the quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one’s country.

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    This is the kind of shit why I say that white supremacists and Nazis love the state of Israel. Both they and Israel insist that this is what Jews are really about, at the expense of actual Jewish people just trying to live their lives.

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    Zionists are blood thirsty monsters that should be stopped by the world. Stomp their ideology out.

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    Zionists don’t care about lives besides their own. I find it so ironic how the US calls itself the land of the free yet sides with genociders. you would’ve thought that after the USS Liberty incident the US would’ve had second thoughts about being allied with Israel

  • When I saw the news about the impeachment vote, I had the thought “what if they don’t want to replace him just yet because they assume Iran will assassinate him and he’ll be gone?”

    This just adds to that idea.