Red Bull - European but Far right
Buy European but … Also with ethical considerations.
Red Bull might sound cool, but they have their own TV station in Austria. (servus TV) And that station js beyond far right. Spreading disinformation, and Russian propaganda, Corona Bullshi, Ivermectint, cleaning stuff with chlorid, climate change deniers, … If there is a conspiracy they support it …
(And it’s also not very healthy,…)
Also they push their athletes to take more and more risk for the show until they end up dead.
I used to be fine of their corporate cool-guys skating bullcrap. Not anymore
I try to buy european but i think it’s important to remind ourselves that we have shit companies in Europe that don’t deserve our business. Red Bull, Nestlé, Müllermilch all these mf can suck it.
I’d also throw Bayer into that list. Knowingly had HIV contaminated blood, considered the amount of money they’d lose by destroying it, so they supplied it to patients in Latin America and Asia. Bayer considered the investment they had in the contaminated product, decided NOT to destroy it, for profits sake, and infected thousands of people with it. They misrepresented the results to not lose money and killed thousands.
I know pharmaceutical companies is a giant mess, but Bayer is on par with Nestle for me.
Following this logic i’d end up buying nothing or absolute crap. Example: i really liked Kellogg’s corn flakes and i tried to switch to a local brand (Cerealitalia) but unfortunately is tastes bad. In the biggest supermarket of my town it’s Kellogg’s, Nestlè or Cerealitalia so it’s US, shitty company or shitty product. Same goes for Coca Cola: it’s Coca Cola, Pepsi or the coke with the same brand of the supermarket (tastes meh). I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.
What’s up with Müllermilch? I haven’t bought it in a while because it wasn’t very healthy anyway. But i didn’t know the company itself was bad
Owner is cozy with the AFD
The CEO meets up with the AfD on the regular to discuss Nazi things.
Red Bull also tastes like shit.
This is disinformation at its finest. Red Bull absolutely does NOT taste like shit. It tastes like piss.
Tell me you’ve never drunken piss, without saying that you’ve never drunken piss. Piss tastes heavenly, compared to Red Bull.
I am permanently banned from making Reddit accounts because I got about 4 of them banned for “promoting violence”.
The violence? Telling people it was a good thing to punch Nazis. Reddit is a Nazi safe space.
Remember when you could say things like “The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi”? Wasn’t even that long ago.
Seriously, fuck Nazis. All of a sudden you’ve got Nazis in government and we’re supposed to act like you should tolerate that shit. Hmmm.
I got a warning for upvoting pro-Canada stuff like “elbows up”. That is apparently promoting violence.
Yikes, Reddit is slowly killing itself. I remember years ago it was more the opposite - there were some seriously disturbing subs because they didn’t want any censorship. Now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction and it’s hard to say anything of substance without getting warned or banned
Well yeah, you’re promoting the same kind of violence that Ukraine continues to perpetrate on Russia.
Like bombing civilians in moskow?
Yeah, at this point Reddit is a sinking ship. Been using it for so long too. A little sad to see it go, but it’s a shell of what it used to be.
o Reddit is no place for normal people
Yep, permanently banned here for “ban evasion” though I only know 1 sub I was banned from and I never went there after. That’s okay, helped me quit what is clearly a hollow shell of user participation filled with a corpo bot sludge. It’s really easy to VPN up and make another account anyway, but why play in the garbage heap?
Interestingly, the site wide rules about violence are only supposed to be credible calls to action. Like if someone was actually planning to murder people and coordinating it on the site.
Saying you’d like to punch someone, even if they aren’t a Nazi, isn’t against the rules as they are written. Either they don’t understand their own rules, they are lazy fuckers who don’t want to do their jobs the correct way and actually investigate shit to make sure it actually violates the rules, or they are Nazi pieces of shit.
Not one of these things makes using the site sound like a good idea.
A system is what it does. Action matters more than intent. Reddit bans anti Nazi rhetoric, therefore it is a pro Nazi website.
Damn, red bull is my energy drink of choice. Anyone got a good alternative that doesn’t use alternative sweetener? So many of them use them and I can’t stand the flavor they have.
Coffee
I drink coffee and Decathlon isotonic drink, one after the other, and it makes me great.
Club Mate is my energy drink of choice. Made in Germany.
Any off-brand energy is fine. Aldi has a pretty good one though it does use artificial sweeteners instead of, or in combination with, sugar.
Alternatively, give mate a try. Mio Mio has lots of flavours to choose from. The classic Club Mate is also always a gold choice. Pomegranate and peach iced tea are my favourites :)
I usually buy my energy drinks from gas stations, so I guess I’ll have to see what off brands they have. I am interested in mate, I’ll have to see what’s available near me. Thank you.
I didn’t know redbull was European and I didn’t know servus tv belonged to redbull
Red bull is original thai
Devils advocate here.
A “Don’t buy Red Bull” post seems off topic for me on a “Buy European” sub.
If the mods only want to focus on one issue and not bring others and especially politics into the mix, I don’t find a issue with that.
That’s the problem with the whole movement. These people don’t want to “buy local” or “buy responsible”. No, they want to “buy europeans”. They just switched a white nationalist project with another. They’re just stupid jingoists, if they were americans, they would be pro-tarriff.
I think there is some dissonance between the name of the movement and its intent. In my experience the intent is exactly this, buying responsibly. The name is unnecessarily nationalistic (unionistic?) but it is what it is. I’ll take it over dropping the whole movement.
on the bright side, red bull tastes like shit
In the UK, not a fan of tea or coffee. I rarely use caffeine at all, but there are some days where I’m falling asleep at my desk and I need something.
Any recommendations?
Cocaine
20 minute nap under the desk.
HOLY energy drink powder works for me. Tastes extremely artificial but I like it at 50% of the recommended dosage. Shop around for some influencer coupon codes, I hope nobody buys at their extremely overinflated original prices.
I prefer Rocka Nutrition to HOLY by a landslide. Rocka Nutrition has only two flavours with lemon ice tea and wild berry, but a tub only costs 13€ and has 40 portions in it vs. HOLY’s 30-40€ and only 30 portions. Gamers Only would be the next best thing but still a little too expensive for my tastes.
I prefer Rocka Nutrition to HOLY by a landslide.
Looks neat, I’ll add that to my collection.
Rocka Nutrition has only two flavours
That’s what makes HOLY useful for me. I have like, 12 tubs with all kinds of flavours on my kitchen counter and the variance keeps me using it. I’m bored with things extremely quickly but this has kept me drinking enough since four or five months and that’s worth the price for me. Although, tbh, we have built an office internal tool to optimize prices by ordering in bulk that also keeps an eye on availability of flavours. That makes it a bit more affordable than just ordering by myself, although it is still laughably expensive, of course.
Sounds neat. I’m like that quite often too but somehow I don’t get bored of the two flavours they have that easily
But also be mindful of the fact that the more rules you add for people to be part of a movement, the less members the movement will have.
The “Buy European” protest is about sending a message of resistance against the current US regime, as well as reducing reliance on US products.
It doesn’t require you to only buy ethically spotless products.
That simply isn’t possible in our system.@superkret
I’m more of the avoid-US(-and-some-others) stance.
@SwordOfOtto @EuropeanMadeThe post is not a “rule”. OP didn’t even ask people to stop using Red Bull. I’m glad to have more information.
If you really enjoy Red Bull, you’re an adult, make your choices. Personally, I can take it or leave it, so I’ll choose to leave it.
Reminder: Arguing and discussion is okay, but keep it civil and do not attack the person you are arguing with.
Did you just got here from reddit or what? Or is it some toung in cheek /s stuff too elaborate for me?
No, I’m not new. This account is new because you can’t use mod tools properly if your account is on a separate instance from the modded community (e.g. you don’t get reports, can’t sticky stuff, etc).
And you also might not actually see the whole discussion going on here since you are on lemmy.world due to defederation between lemmy.world and other instances and so. I’m just reminding everyone to keep it civil since this community has had heated discussions before and the discussion easily slips into nationalism, which is against our rules.
Are you a moderator? Of .world or maybe on your server? Just trying to figure it out here.
No worries, I’m a mod on !buyeuropean@feddit.uk community. Not an admin on .world or feddit.uk, just a feddit.uk user that is also a moderator of buyeuropean@feddit.uk
Luckily I don’t like energy drinks and have hardly supported them at all.
Bullshit they actively promoting anti corona, pro Putin and far right wing plebs for the last 10 years now! I live in Austria and it’s ridiculous you try defend them. Yes they were an awesome tv station back then )until 2017. But nowadays it’s just a hate tv!
Wait really? I live in the US granted but I don’t want to support any company that does heinous shit like this.
It’s greatly exaggerated, on ServusTV they just have all kind of people, so sometimes stupid people are there too. They have this format „Rechts-Links-Mitte“ (right left center) where they typically have around five people with heavily varying positions discussing with each other. So no, it’s not them supporting conspiracies but rather trying to find people for these discussions. On the other hand it means that the others get the chance to debunk fake news and conspiracies in those discussions, potentially getting viewers to change their position. You don’t achieve that by making these people not watch any discussions because “their guy” isn’t there anyway.
Before our election I liked watching their news since the ORF (öffentlich rechtlicher Rundfunk - our official TV where all the important stuff is) only talked about what’s wrong with so many people to make them vote for the FPÖ (far right party) and how they could be made reasonable again (blame on the people for voting for that party) while Servus TV talked about why people are voting for them and what other parties potentially could change to gain them back (blame on the parties for making decisions that led to losing voters to the FPÖ) (to clarify, I didn’t vote for the FPÖ and never world, I’m heavily opposing quite a few of their policies - regardless I can’t deny that they wouldn’t be as strong if our other parties acted differently, many people simply are voting for the FPÖ to express their protest which is why its good to discuss about what the other parties should change).
ServusTV also has great documentaries (mostly about Austria and neighbouring countries, for example about a group of mountains (sometimes even singular mountains), or about hiking trails, mountainbiking routes, ski touring, climbing, about a river, a lake, a city, a castle, a church, …).
My favourite aspect is that Red Bull heavily invests in sports, sponsoring many people that wouldn’t be able to follow their (often niche) sport without them.
Absolutely not a company that deserves a boycott imo. (I don’t buy anything from them though because I usually only drink water.)
Dude, they literally invite some of the biggest names in modern Eurofascism to be on their shows. The English-language portion on ServusTV’s politics is just a short introduction. Switch to the German-language one for greater depth.
I’ve watched them in the past myself for their mountaineering programs, but after learning about their far-right connections, I’m unlikely to do so again. Because, even in that sense, the mountaineering connection becomes quite suspect given the historical ties between fascist ideology, aesthetics and the mountains of southern Germany/Austria. Susan Sontag outlined it better than I can.
Redbull have been recognized times and times again to push athlete to take crazy risks for the stunt and advertising. People are dying.
Before our election I liked watching their news since the ORF (öffentlich rechtlicher Rundfunk - our official TV where all the important stuff is) only talked about what’s wrong with so many people to make them vote for the FPÖ (far right party) and how they could be made reasonable again (blame on the people for voting for that party) while Servus TV talked about why people are voting for them and what other parties potentially could change to gain them back
Yeah guess what, pushing the governement to outnazi the nazis is as bad as being nazis themselves.
They aren’t pushing the government to do anything? But one of the most common reasons why people vote for the FPÖ is protest against the other parties (yes, it’s a stupid way to protest), so maybe talking about what they could potentially change to gain their voters back is a good thing.
That’s a half truth.
In that Format mentioned, they always make sure to have a 4 to 1 superiority in numbers against any center or left people and also only have them there for show. It is designed to tell people, that they are open for discussion. But in truth they spread far right propaganda and Russian propaganda. (Which is the same in Austria, since the FPÖ is famously “brought” and backed bay Putin.).
Recently their main host description of Ukraine was “drug fueled Nazi war mongers who attacked Russia”.
I have a hard time believing that, where did they say that?
And no, it’s simply not true that they’re making that 4 to 1 to the right, unless they changed that since December (haven’t watched R-L-M lately). At least until November it usually was balanced, so the occasional anti-mainstream people got fact checked quickly by the four others.
Is it like Jubilee?
This sounds dangerous tbh. I do not really watch ServusTV, nor do I know much about Red Bull business practices but stuff like the “Rechts-Links-Mitte” format sounds like they’re giving right wing extremists a platform to spread their misinformation and rhetoric. It might sound like a good idea to have opinions from all different kinds of people but media companies should have a moral duty to educate viewers and not foster misinformation by acknowledging every single opinion. That’s why you should be careful with things like these.
Furthermore the wikipedia article does mention ServusTV spreading misinformation about the covid vaccines, citing DerStandard and Tagesschau articles from 2021.
So all in all it seems the political reports on ServusTV should be taken with some suspicion. That does not mean they can’t have nice documentaries or sport broadcasts though.
As for Red Bull, they can’t really let ServusTV spread misinformation without actually supporting it. Probably makes them more money in some way. Might be a good idea to try out a suitable alternative energy drink if there is one.
It’s a double edged sword, yes. But in times like these (internet) people can present their views regardless, so I’d say its nice when they’re doing it somewhere where well-articulated and science-backed views get presented too and they can be fact checked. That’s how you win back people before they’re too deep in the rabbit hole, on the internet they quickly just fall into an echo chamber, only getting recommended similar articles, videos, … to the ones that they’re already reading/watching.
For people like me in the other hand it’s interesting to see from which kind of people they got some of their world views and makes it easier to prepare arguments against them.
I’d simply say discussions are a good thing for a democracy, I really don’t like the mindset of simply letting people fall out of touch with any mainstream information (which is mainstream for a reason) once they reject it on one topic. That leads to polarisation, radicalisation and a rising amount of voters for the pro-Russian parties.
Trump also would never have won if the USA wasn’t so polarised.
I don’t drink Red bull but still would like a more thorough article or information about this
Wikipedia provides a starting point!
I don’t drink it because it’s trash, but I had no idea about any of this. The word needs to be spread.
Servus TV is a TV station based in Wals-Siezenheim in the Austrian state of Salzburgand owned by Red Bull Media House GmbH, a subsidiary of Red Bull GmbH, which also publishes the magazine Servus in Stadt und Land. The station is the successor to Salzburg TV, founded in 1995 and rebranded in 2009. It is politically aligned with the far right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServusTV
C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.
It’s normal to expect from OP to provide source for their claim.
It’s not good to not be able to research yourself.
They asked for more information about a topic in which they were interested, on a forum designed to spread information. I don’t think you can reasonably fault the person asking for more information of being lazy, when the OP could be considered equally lazy for not including the context in the first place, right?
Either way you’re right, being able to look things up is a good skill to have! But maybe don’t be a jerk about it, we left reddit for a reason, right? ;)
Welcome to the spot, you’re absolutely right and the world could use more people that think like you.
For real, keep being you at all costs, you’re awesome.
Lets say 5000 people see this post - should it be normal and expected that 5000 people spend their time hunting down a source to a claim, or have a single OP include it in their post?
Should it be normal or expected that 5000 people read and believe something without self verifying it beyond what could be cherry picked or outright false examples by an OP?
Me when I refuse to admit I’m wrong so I attack the argument I wish they had made vs the point they actually did
Good for you!
No one said they’re unable to research, asking for a source is normal imo. Supporting claims with sources in the first place would be better, the internet is overrun by fake news and lies. Most don’t take the time to research everything they see online. It’s simply a big researchers team’s full time job to research everything you see scrolling 10 minutes on any platform. So when stating a claim or posting a story, you should support it with sources or otherwise you should be asked to do so.
Why would you assume they aren’t able? They just said they’d like more information, not that they can’t go get it themselves…
C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.
No I don’t think I will.
Damn, “Servus in Stadt und Land” doesn’t even need a translation to realize how racist it is.
I speak german and there is nothing rascist about that sentence.
Maybe next time use a translator just in case before commenting mate. Servus is the name of the TV station, “in city and country” is very hard for me, impossible really, to find anything racist in it.
Servus literally means “Hello” in many German dialects, especially in Austria:
Servus, and various local variants thereof, is a salutation used in many parts of Central and Eastern Europe. It is a word of greeting or parting like the Italian ciao (which also comes from the slave meaning through Venetian s’ciavo).
Also, it is used precisely because most people were servants a dozen or more centuries ago.
