Nothing says “classy” like flying that flag.
Good L🍁ck Trudeau! (But also, don’t let the door hit you on the way out…)
The “Fuck Carney” flags are already in production, I guarantee it.
But it was nice seeing so much NDP support! There’s no way these people were supporting conservatives, as the things they were complaining about would only be even worse under PP.
…Oh, these people lack critical thinking skills, and they were being bought by conservative supporters?
Once saw a fuck Trudeau flag next to a every child matters flag on the same truck. Based centrist alert.
But they look so good on trucks. /s
But they look so good on raised, coal-rolling trucks with balls. /s
Right next to a stealthy lil pride flag
Canadian equivalent of Let’s Go Bradon?
The “Fuck Trudeau” flags? No, they are a conservative way of saying they are a piece of shit regressive that are in the closet.
I thought that’s what let’s go Brandon was too?
I thought that got co-opted
I’m not positive, but I always took it as a conservative way to say “I have a tiny penis and I want to fuck Joe Biden!” Pretty sure that’s what marjorie taylor greene means anyway.
Trudeau will be remembered for many things
including all the conservatives that wanted to fuck him.
Many men were disappointed when arriving at the Ram Ranch to find Trudeau wasn’t there.
But they made due.
That’s how I read those signs. That Bubba in the truck had a boner for Justin.
My response to those truck flags was always “Gay and proud. YES! You go girl!”
This is in regards to our brethren down south, poking fun at 2nd amendmenters and their manly façade. Seems like cons all over the globe mostly like to larp as strong men but like if you gotta hide behind a firearm, are you really manly? 🤷♂️
“Hurt me but make me feel safe at the same time, you pussy liberals” https://youtu.be/TY0eUQ06Q2g
He is a thirst trap though even after ten years in office. He’s only 53 seems very young to retire. I’m curious to know what he does next. UN ambassador? Ambassador for Canada to France?
I hope we keep him around as Chief Toddler Wrangler every time Trump comes sniffing around.
I’m not a big Trudeau fan but he’s amazing at dealing with that creep. Remember the handshake during Trump’s first term?
Yeah totally, he countered Trumps weak “power handshake” and that was awesome.
Ambassador for Canada to the USA. :-D
I don’t think Trudeau is a masochist like that.
Just finding out I’m a raging conservative. Oh god, I need to sit down… On his lap…
I loved that the original attack ad they had when he was first running for Prime Minister was that he was too young and handsome to be a leader.
He DID have nice hair.
I’m embarrassed they latched onto his hair. And now, all they can say is ‘carbon tax’, like we’re all rich enough where it’s a tax and not a benefit.
I’ve met plenty of people who weren’t rich enough who were still certain it was a tax and not a benefit.
Used to have nice hair, still does, but used to too.
I like it a bit wilder.
Nice hair, though
I guess that’s why the cons dumped o toole he had no hair
In hindsight he was the best leader they had in a long time
But the Cons are kind of like the scorpion and the frog and I did not trust them one bit.
I’ll also always remember how the Liberals pulled a judo-reverse on the Conservatives by turning their main line of attack back against them. I knew from the moment I saw that ad with Trudeau on the escalator that the Liberals would win.
Oh, do you have a link? I’m not Canadian but that sounds interesting.
E: Nvm found it.
found it.
Ah. YOW. Know it well.
That’s the one.
I don’t know if my memory of that era comports with actual history, but this is how I remember it playing out:
It looked like the Conservative attack ads were going to win the election for them again, just as they had against Dion and Ignatieff. They were ahead and gaining in the polls, and the Liberals seemed to have no response. The slogan was, “Trudeau: he’s just not ready.”
Then the polls stabilized for a few days, and the Liberals released that ad. The polls started rapidly reversing, and the Liberals decisively swept into power. I don’t think I even saw another, “he’s not ready,” attack ad from the Conservatives again after that.
EDIT: One can debate how much of an effect that ad had, and whether Trudeau’s actions matched it’s promises, but for me it will always stick out as a good bit of political strategy.
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And for letting us down on proportional representation: !fairvote@lemmy.ca
That was defintely the beginning of the end for Trudeau. And lost him all the young voters.
Proportional representation is not the answer because the party system does not work to begin with.
But proportional representation does not require political parties to be a part of the electoral system.
See single transferable vote (STV): A Simple Guide to Electoral Systems. It’s still a work in progress, but lays out a good framework for discussing electoral systems.
But proportional representation does not require political parties to be a part of the electoral system.
I never said proportional representation requires political parties. I said, and I quote, “Proportional representation is not the answer because the party system does not work to begin with.” meaning the system PR is being tacked on to doesn’t work and we aren’t fixing anything switching from FPTP to PR if we keep the party system.
The party system is the single biggest issue with our Politics. It prevents independents from ever being elected and allows a few parties to control the entire political landscape and narrative.
Which is why the entire history of Canada has been Conservative Government, Liberal Opposition or Liberal Government, Conservative opposition on a federal level excluding that one time because the right old white guy lead the NDP.
The point is we need a complete overhaul, and not a tune up so electoral reform should mean the entire system if we are going to go through with it because it is a huge undertaking.
I also do not need to have you pretentiously offer me “simple guides to political systems” because I think you are wrong.
There isn’t a modern democracy in the world that doesn’t have political parties. And for good reason, it’s wholly impractical. Even single party states such as China have political parties…
The reason we have two major parties is described in Duverger’s law. You don’t have to think I’m right or wrong, because this is just the reality.
“Parties” are inevitable just by simple human nature. It’s the same reason cliques exist in highschool; We gravitate towards people we agree with and eventually (either purposefully or not) begin to align our decision making.
Our tribalism is one of our greatest weakness’ and the ability to change our base responses and nature is one of our greatest strengths as a species.
There isn’t a modern democracy in the world that doesn’t have political parties. And for good reason, it’s wholly impractical. Even single party states such as China have political parties…
There was a point where Democracy didn’t exist, and it wasn’t that long ago. We can do better than our less intelligent ancestors can’t we? Especially when we all agree generally that the systems we have aren’t working.
Human tribalism will be our downfall. Just because everyone is doing it doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t mean the alternative is “wholly impractical”. It just means humans are a generally ignorant and stubborn species who hate change and cannot imagine things beyond what they know.
Which is the actual reason why we have political parties much like other Primates have their social systems that can be found across the species regardless of how beneficial it is or isn’t to the health of the overall species. We aren’t that far removed from our cousins.
If you can explain exactly what makes removing political parties from the system wholly impractical I am all ears, otherwise do not waste further time responding with wikipedia links you clearly do not understand.
There was a point where Democracy didn’t exist, and it wasn’t that long ago
Yeah, back when democracy didn’t exist, humanity lived in misery compared to today’s living standards.
We can do better than our less intelligent ancestors can’t we? Especially when we all agree generally that the systems we have aren’t working.
Yeah, the better system is called proportional representation.
political parties from the system wholly impractical
Believe it or not, there is no part of our FPTP electoral system entrenches that political parties in the first place. I know you might not like it, but it’s factually the truth. They organically come about because people, it’s the most efficient way to organize.
otherwise do not waste further time responding with wikipedia links you clearly do not understand.
You are a very angry person, lol. But regardless, Duverger’s law is the reason we have a “two party” system.
And for letting us down on proportional representation: !fairvote@lemmy.ca
You only think they were going to choose the most complex voting scheme out there.
Can you explain more? What voting scheme did you have in mind?
Saw a f🍁CK Trump flag in Canada the other day and had to do a double take. I don’t like Trump, but I still don’t like the flags.
I believe in that case, the flag is warranted.
Not sure what Canadian would want to lick that old wrinkled nutsack though.
Most of the flags around here have already been swapped for “Fuck Trump”.
I’m honestly shocked that nobody’s made one saying “Trudeau f🍁cked Mrs Trump” or somesuch.
Glad to see civil discourse making a come back.
I’m trusting he’ll lead the country in the right direction through all this tariff nonsense.
By leaving the office
It really improved his popularity.
Did you just put a conservative in power? Have you learned nothing from us in the US.
Nope. @JohnnyCanck has a good explanation of what just happened, but some other info to add.
We’re heading into a federal election soon, and the Conservative Party (right of the Democrats, and infused with a handful of Trump-level nutbars) held a solid lead for several months. When Trudeau announced he was stepping down, followed by Trump’s tarriffs, the lead shrunk to roughly the margin of error.
Carney is fairly conservative for the Liberal party - he was appointed to lead the Bank of Canada by a (very!) Conservative PM, and then went on to head the Bank of England. He’s a money manager for the rich, which is concerning, but also might draw some of the centrists back from the extreme right.
There’s a fair chance that our next government will - again - be a minority, which will require the collaboration of parties, and often is when the most good gets done. Or we might get a CPC/Poilievre majority, in which case we’ll be sucking up to Trump like a vacuum for four years.
jfc go away
Kisses, and you should block me if my comments upset you so much. It’s super easy on lemmy.
If I have to put up with one more American desperate to be told, “You’re one of the good ones!” I don’t know what I am going to do.
Do you want me to go through the settings for you? It’s super easy. There are dots or a “hamburger” below my name and off to the right on the website design. It will say “block user” there.
Not yet, we still have hope it won’t happen.
Our system is a bit different. We elect a party and that party has a leader. The leader of the elected party is the Prime Minister. The leader can step down and the party stays in power and selects a new leader, who then becomes Prime Minister. Trudeau stepped down and his party selected Carney to replace him, so we have a new prime minister and maintain a centrist government. (Centrist to us, left wing to the US.)
We can also have elections at any time, either by choice of the party in power, or forced by the opposition parties if they have enough seats in the government. Our current party in power, The Liberals, don’t have a majority, so they’ve been maintaining power by making deals with a left wing party (the NDP or New Democratic Party). Liberal + NDP is one seat or so from a majority right now, so they’ve been finding additional support from other parties. This has actually worked out pretty well, as it has forced the government to be a little more proactive and given the left a good amount of power. There is always the threat of losing power and having to make different parties happy.
If the NDP (or others) decide they don’t like Carney, they can force an election and then we will have the chance of getting that Conservative government you were worried about. Most likely they will wait a bit to see how things are going before doing that because their worst fear is forcing an election and ending up in a worse position (a Conservative majority.) If you hear that Canada has a new Prime Minister named Poilievre in the next year, you’ll know we just ran into the same shit you guys did.
The leader can step down and the party stays in power and selects a new leader, who then becomes Prime Minister. Trudeau stepped down and his party selected Carney to replace him
Just to clarify further, the party did not select him. Liberal voters voted for Carney at an overwhelming majority.
Thanks for explaining that. It sounds like a better system in that you can force an election at any time. I’m jealous of that right now.
I know the PR and propaganda machines have been going after Canada. I really hope you guys don’t get forced or go willingly down the same road as us. I’ll be looking for that Poilievre person to not be in the running.
you can force an election at any time.
Thing is, a government with a majority will often easily win a no-confidence kind of challenge. Especially true of conservatives, whose core strength is blind loyalty, there’s no point in trying.
You can force an election for a minority government. If one party has a majority, it can go for a while, more then four years
Okay, I’m not jealous of the 4 year part unless it has some hidden benefit. Maybe moving that slow keeps it stable?
Maybe moving that slow keeps it stable?
That’s not how long it takes. We have regional non-conservatives in power here, and they seem to be launching spurious confidence challenges every week. I think their plan is to have so many that people stop showing up and supporting the evil non-cons.
It wouldn’t be a problem if we had proportional representation. In Canada, a party can get a majority government with a minority of the voting population due to how it’s calculated. This often means low voter turnout because a large number of people feel their vote doesn’t count.
It wouldn’t be a problem if we had proportional representation
Is there nothing it can’t do? (when all you have is a hammer, everything’s a nail)
So you have the same problem as us. I think in the olden days, our corrupt politicians and elites colluded with the world’s corrupt politicians and elites, and had a good laugh how they set it up in their favor.
Election hasn’t happened yet but Trudeau is stepping down.
Oh, got ya. It hasn’t happened yet. Good luck to you fighting our stupid economic wars that we, the US, are certain to lose.
economic wars that we, the US, are certain to lose.
Any victory will be pyrrhic. Maybe we’re hoping to pick up a state or trade for Alberta. ;-)
