Yeah Red is getting taken out behind the barn next ban list

  • MikeMA
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    2 days ago

    I think they will have to hit Monstrous Rage, that feels obvious. But beyond that, I personally think to re-balance the entire format and prevent the next deck running away with it, they need to also hit Cori Steel-Cutter, Stormchaser’s Talent, and one of Abuela’s Awakening or Omniscience. Up the Beanstalk and This Town Ain’t Big Enough don’t rise to the same level and feel more like enablers to lots of other decks.

    I think Vivi is another insane, over the top, does-to-much card that wins the game on turn 4, but we will need to wait and see with that because nothing in the FF set will get touched.

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      35 minutes ago

      I’d go with Cori Steel-Cutter and Manifold Mouse, to be honest. I wouldn’t mind an Omniscience ban either. If you nerf aggro too hard we’ll go back to a meta filled with control decks where Jace, the Perfected Mind is the only win-con.

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      2 days ago

      Omniscience is strong but gets bodied by GY hate. It’s just too hard to run counters to decks other than aggro because while Omniscience wins on turn 4, these aggro decks win on turn 3 (or practically win, just short a burn spell). I don’t think it needs anything done to it. It also isn’t really new to have a fast combo deck. The consistency is the main issue, and I’d rather see Ephara’s Dispersal banned before Omniscience or Abuelo’s Awakening. If standard slows down enough for a control deck to exist, it’ll naturally push Omniscience combo down the tier list.

      WOTC tried too hard to sell cards and ended up breaking standard to the point that no new sets can even make an impact anymore. I know they won’t fix it if the previous B&R says anything, but IMO they need to go full Eldraine on this format and ban a ton of cards before it’ll be fixed.

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        That’s a very good point about Omni. And I totally agree on WOTC breaking standard. Normally some of these problems would be resolved with the 2 year rotation too but now we’re stuck in this really tough spot that can’t be fixed without those Eldraine style bans. They seem very scared to do that though.

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      2 days ago

      The issue with Beans is that it becomes a must-play in pretty much every midrange/late game deck because of how much advantage it creates. And with it being so easy to trigger with the Overlords it’s only really being held back by Aggro being insanely overpowered right now

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        2 days ago

        Beans is insane, but rotation might fix that deck. Overlord Beans will still be a deck, but you lose Leyline Binding, and Ride’s End isn’t close to being a replacement.

        I could see Beans being banned, but I think I would be willing to see what it does post-rotation first.