Hilarious that Nadu, designed for Commander but released in a Modern set, is now banned in Commander too (after it’s collateral damage in Modern).
Kinda do not agree with the fast mana bans :-/ I understand their reasoning but I haven’t thought they were banworthy at all.
This is so cool, thanks for sharing!
Do you have any more details on it? Was it just printed by another attendee (presumably Brothers Wilmot 😜) or is this an official wotc reprint?
Wow this feels like a pretty significant color pie break. I realize they’ve printed black enchantment removal a few times before (Feed the Swarm) but this is an instant and seems like they’re just shifting to giving this to black now. Seems like kind of a shame to me.
Wow that is some freaky looking artwork
You’re absolutely right and Mark’s straw man arguments like that are pretty frustrating. I have the same meaning as you when I say stop designing for Commander as I’m sure the vast majority of others do. I don’t know if he’s being intentionally dishonest or if he just doesn’t get it still but it is 100% stop printing overstatted Commander cards that warp eternal formats and these ability soup engines-and-payoffs.
Re: playtesting I wish they would come out and say what their playtesting process is. How many people are in each group, how long do cards get active testing, etc. Barring those details I kind of disagree that they can’t do more and while they definitely cannot catch everything, their process should be sufficient to not let a Nadu get by.
Yeah that’s a good point, I guess since it was admittedly for Commander they were find letting it leave the 60 card formats.
Exactly, the fact that “interacts with 0-mana abilities” isn’t on a list of mandatory checks is just crazy to me. It just signals that they don’t have any kind of process/infrastructure in place to help them see these things.
Great updates all around, kudos to Wizards for doing what needed to be done. Good changes to timing too.
I’m shocked they banned Nadu instead of some bad half-measure like Shuko though.
I appreciate them writing this and taking it on the chin here but honestly there is so much in here that’s pretty damning about their design process. Nadu was a massive mistake but one that seems negligibly correctable.
Majors describes the testing they did. He cites no actual numbers or anything but I think that makes it pretty clear how deficient it is/was:
For both Modern Horizons 2 and Modern Horizons 3, we brought in a small group of contractors and worked on the set in a dedicated sprint as a collaboration between that group and a small number of play designers. The playtesting time is more dense, as the group is singularly focused on the set without other responsibilities, but shorter in terms of weeks.
Emphasis mine. I would wager that this is probably 2-3 contractors who played for probably a few weeks with the people who designed the set, a group who is obviously stuck in groupthink and can’t see differently. There’s no wonder they miss issues like this.
Again we have a card that was changed at the last minute and shipped as-is.
I missed the interaction with zero-mana abilities that are so problematic. The last round of folks who were shown the card in the building missed it too. We didn’t playtest with Nadu’s final iteration, as we were too far along in the process, and it shipped as-is.
How many times does this need to bite them before they just actually playtest every single text change? It’s crazy to me.
They all missed the interaction with 0-mana abilities, OK fine. But why is there no automatic flag for high risk abilities? Off the top of my head:
Original Nadu had every one of these, and there are no doubt many many more things that should automatically create a higher scrutiny/testing regimen. They added the 2-times-per-turn cap at the last minute but removed the by-an-opponent limiter!
Software can easily flag cards that should be tested more fully, or recommend problematic interactions. They don’t seem to be doing this at all, instead just accepting a certain % of failure/risk. This is so preventable.
This one is a personal pet peeve of mine and really irritates me more than everything else. This card was designed specifically for Commander yet it went into a set ostensibly for Modern/Legacy.
In one of these meetings, there was a great deal of concern raised by Nadu’s flash-granting ability for Commander play. After removing the ability, it wasn’t clear that the card would have an audience or a home, something that is important for every card we make. Ultimately, my intention was to create a build-around aimed at Commander play, which resulted in the final text.
If the card is for Commander, put it into a Commander set! This is also extremely damning from a design perspective–they removed the flash ability and then didn’t think the card would be played at all!
So much of this seems to be preventable with better processes or using technology in even basic ways, ways they are no doubt not even close to taking advantage of. It’s a shame because these sets could be better and the playerbase wouldn’t have months of crap like this, or a Pro Tour absolutely ruined by a preventable card.
Is there any chance at all they print tokens for the power nine because of this?
Wow it’s the art from the Urza Vanguard card!
Would love to see this in a retro frame 😫
Interesting that the art had all blue background glyphs but the finished card made it Green/Blue. I wonder if at the time of the art prompt Kumena was only supposed to be blue?
Love the optimism! I for sure will hit my classic 1-3 drop but I’ll definitely be playing in this. I wish that card was for everyone on entry, though I’ll also never not use the DiTerlizzi original.
Hopefully Grief and/or Psychic Frog eat a ban before November.
Oh cool, I’m glad they did for all the people who like playing with him. Good job by the RC.
Wow I don’t think I’ve ever actually looked at that art before but yeah dang, thats up there.
Probably one of the most horrific card arts ever, still can’t believe this made it onto a card but really glad we get them every once in a while.
Ad Nauseam is another I think of when I’m thinking of gruesome cards.
tl;dr Neheb the Eternal is nerfed. Anything that just says “postcombat main phase” now only refers to the “second main phase” so if you have something creating more then it won’t keep triggering.
Darwin Kastle!
I love this card and played it nonstop during Urza’s block in Ponza.
This is awesome! Love how ambitious it is.
I didn’t click through the discord server yet but how many players are the current teams looking for?