I moderate a community. Do I need to move that community? Or can I just give it over to my new account?

Very hungry.

People need to miss at least three meals in a row before they start getting serious. We don’t have the material conditions yet to act.

What does this mean format? I think I get it but I’m not sure…

Global sports events have never been hosted by governments with terrible human rights records right?

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No no no noooooo.

Ok, that is fucking cool!

Just that I think it is a thing that should go away

I see, that was a poor wording choice on my part. I see now why I was getting some push back.

Thanks for showing that to me. I should have been more specific.

I can’t tell if you are stupid, a troll, a transphobia, or being reflexively contrarian.

My point was never that gender shouldn’t exist. And I admitted from my first post that I am willing learn peoples pronouns and address them as such (the tax comment). Just that I think it is a thing that should go away 200 years from now or so.

I don’t see any point continuing this conversation with you. Have a nice life.

I am glad I went back to the basics.

Gender is more complex than a binary. It’s not an inate thing, but it’s also not entirely a social construct.

No! It is just a social construct and by saying that you made yourself a whole lot of transphobic friends.

What it means to present as a man/woman changes over time. So there is no way gender can be innate to people.

If gender were a pure social construct then they wouldn’t feel wrong with the gender assigned to them by society.

Gender dysphoria is real but that doesn’t make gender not a social construct. If you want to be a woman and women wear dresses, you will want to wear a dress. If women wear hoodies, then you want to wear hoodies.

I never said you needed to care, I said you needed to be polite if you make a mistake.

Ok, from now on, every time you call me “deaf_fish”, I will tut tut you as say I think you mean “deaf_fish who likes the C programming language”. If you don’t remember to address me as such I will feel bad and it won’t be very polite of you.

Edit: I have a question for you if English never had gendered pronouns, would you still be disagreeing with me?

But I am intending to be dismissive, because you are not putting forth any arguments.

Ok, lets go back to the basics. Is gender a social construct?

If you say it isn’t, then you are enforcing the Man/Woman duality of gender that is linked to sex. This is transphobic and not linked to any science.

If you say it is. Then gender has value only to people who care about it. Just like programming languages only have value to people who care about that.

So in a fair and just world, if you say, people need to care about the gender of another person, then equally they should care about the favorite programming language, and so on and so on with everyone’s thing. So my question is, ok, where does this end? What constitutes which things need to be acknowledged during a social interactions and which things don’t.

My argument, is you can strip it down to just a name. That is all you need. This is the ideal we should work towards.

Do we drop pronouns and genders today? No, I have never claimed that. I specifically stated in my first post like 200 years from now, when we are all dead.

I’m not invalidating it. You can have names for it. I don’t care. I just don’t want it to be socially required for me to know.

I don’t expect you to know what my favorite programming language is. So please don’t expect me to know what gender you are when it doesn’t matter for social interactions.

Yeah but I’m okay with names. I’m not okay with genders. At a bare minimum to interact with people in society, you need to know a name, some kind of identifier. If I knew of a way around that I would suggest it. However, interacting with people in society does not require knowing their gender. At least now it doesn’t require it as it’s pretty clear that gender is a made-up category.

Yeah today. But we know gender is a made-up category now. And already it’s starting to diverge. I can easily imagine 20 years from now there being like 50 different genders, and the amount of people who don’t associate with men or women will be much greater.

Yes, this is what I mean. I am fine with they/them. I don’t need to know anyone’s specific pronouns or gender.

But if no one needs to know anyone’s specific pronouns or gender, then why have it as a concept other than as a niche topic of discussion?

Fair, but I don’t want every social interaction I have to be me messing up and apologizing to people that I have missgendered them. That sounds way more exhausting than current social interactions are for me, and I already find them exhausting.

The difference is you don’t need to identify someone’s color or commit a social faux pas. Keep your color names, I just don’t want to have to figure out if you are green or lime green and address you as such.

I think if you’re interested in dating or sex, and you have preferences that are deal breakers. Ask for what they’re equipped with.

Similar to how if you’re planning on dating someone today and if have sex is important to you. You communicate that. And ask them if they are asexual.

It’s perfectly okay to have deal-breaking preferences for these things.

Good question.

My hope is that most of the pissed off people would be dead due to natural causes.

This is why the idea of gender needs to disappear eventually. If we have it, we then need to label every single permutation of every expression. Maybe that’s fun for some people, but it’s definitely not fun for me.

To be clear I’m not saying you can’t be a woman or a man or whatever. I understand I have to pay that tax. But in 200 years maybe it won’t matter anymore because we’ll all just be people. And that seems nice to me.

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