• ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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    6 hours ago

    I hear you saying you you would like a universal gender neutral pronoun. You rarely need to know someone’s gender when talking to them, just what pronouns to use.
    Fortunately they/them works for this purpose, and is universally understood in English. It’s perfectly acceptable to refer to someone as they/them or their name when having a conversation not specifically about gender and preferred pronouns.

    Not knowing someone’s gender has existed far longer than our modern understanding of the nuance of the concept.

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      5 hours ago

      Yes, this is what I mean. I am fine with they/them. I don’t need to know anyone’s specific pronouns or gender.

      But if no one needs to know anyone’s specific pronouns or gender, then why have it as a concept other than as a niche topic of discussion?

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        1 hour ago

        It’s not irrelevant to everyone. We have a phrase that allows you to omit them, but that doesn’t mean that everyone wants to do that.

        Additionally, having the concept is needed for people to talk about their experiences and figure stuff out.
        Their need to describe themselves in conversations that don’t involve you is perfectly sufficient reason to have the words.

        “Confuses you” is not a good enough reason to invalidate a core part of people’s identity, particularly when it may have been hard for them to get things figured out.

        It’s important to remember that gender is irrelevant, but only if it’s someone else’s. It can be aggravating to be told that something you worked hard to figure out doesn’t matter when it very much matters to you.