I agree that they seem to have just taken the US support as a massive attempt to both get their cause seen by more people (which is helpful in changing hearts and minds away from the “they are PPK and PKK are ‘terrorists’” which was how they were presented by even US propaganda). And to use the really good opportunity in the fight against ISIS to get any and all supplies they could from the US in order to keep their area defended for the inevitable attacks from Türkiye after ISIS. Though I am not sure how many weapons and other defense related items they were able to get (but supplies are supplies). They still need to make sure to walk the fine lines with the Syrian government to be sure.
The most fucked thing that they have been left with is the ISIS prisoners and their families. The longer that those massive numbers of people are left in limbo due to all the nations that they originated from not wanting to take them back. The worse shit will be when those folks break out of containment. Shit would be great to use by Türkiye especially as an excuse to “legitimately” invade. Which means brutal genocide of the Kurds from both sides. And if the open air prisons go on long enough, it will be easy for bad-faith actors to eventually paint them as doing what Israel is doing with Gaza/West Bank. Which isn’t what they are doing, but multiple generations of families being imprisoned (even if said prisons weren’t setup by the Kurds for that length of time in mind) for crimes against humanity that the new generation didn’t commit will be easy to use for propaganda.
The Kurds are resourceful, but trying to figure out how to allow people out without it turning into a bloodbath is beyond fucked. It might have been easier (and still beyond fucked) to have not taken prisoners and kill anyone and everyone that flew the ISIS flag before “victory” was claimed. They know that a majority of prisoners actively plan and openly speak about the torture and murder they will commit if they are able to get out. Which I imagine is what the long term goal of Türkiye and other hostile powers wish to make happen. The nations that want to keep their hands clean of bringing ISIS families back home to have to deal with are fine with Kurds being killed. Just like how the US and the West have done with green-washing themselves by pushing shit off onto “third world” nations.
I’ve gotten into countless screaming matches online with the people who supported the absolute bullshit about the Shamima Begum case, the “ISIS bride” who left the UK and joined up with ISIS before the UK stripped her of her citizenship.
At no point did I ever convince a single person who supported the UK government’s actions on the basis of:
Upholding international law that the UK is a signatory to
The fact that UK citizens are the UK’s responsibility and that they need to deal with them rather than exporting their problems to developing countries
That a country should not be able to take punitive actions against a citizen by decree without there being a fair judicial process where the accused has an opportunity to defend themselves against the charges and to be evaluated for stuff like their competence because this sets a dangerous precedent for anyone who cares about civil liberties
That Shamima Begum was literally a child who was groomed online and that she should be given leniency based on the fact that she was a stupid kid who made stupid choices
That the best way to make lifelong supporters of ISIS is to strip people of citizenship and mark them as international terrorists (despite there being no charges laid against Shamima in a court of law) so that they become completely dependent upon ISIS and have zero way to reintegrate into society because now they literally cannot enter any country ever again, so this act is one of the most supportive of ISIS and anyone who supports this act is directly aiding and abetting ISIS by creating the political consensus to make it a reality in the first place
That the second best way to make lifelong supporters of ISIS is to provide them with a person who is basically guaranteed to become their broodmare for the next 30 odd years
This is yet-another example of actions by the US that just so happen to support ISIS. Between reports of the US military arming and training groups flying the SDF flag only to discover them a short time later fighting for ISIS and shifty things to do with abandoning weapons caches and funding sources in gulf states it’s enough to make me wonder if the US actually opposes ISIS or if it’s another Gladio type situation.
I agree that they seem to have just taken the US support as a massive attempt to both get their cause seen by more people (which is helpful in changing hearts and minds away from the “they are PPK and PKK are ‘terrorists’” which was how they were presented by even US propaganda). And to use the really good opportunity in the fight against ISIS to get any and all supplies they could from the US in order to keep their area defended for the inevitable attacks from Türkiye after ISIS. Though I am not sure how many weapons and other defense related items they were able to get (but supplies are supplies). They still need to make sure to walk the fine lines with the Syrian government to be sure.
The most fucked thing that they have been left with is the ISIS prisoners and their families. The longer that those massive numbers of people are left in limbo due to all the nations that they originated from not wanting to take them back. The worse shit will be when those folks break out of containment. Shit would be great to use by Türkiye especially as an excuse to “legitimately” invade. Which means brutal genocide of the Kurds from both sides. And if the open air prisons go on long enough, it will be easy for bad-faith actors to eventually paint them as doing what Israel is doing with Gaza/West Bank. Which isn’t what they are doing, but multiple generations of families being imprisoned (even if said prisons weren’t setup by the Kurds for that length of time in mind) for crimes against humanity that the new generation didn’t commit will be easy to use for propaganda.
The Kurds are resourceful, but trying to figure out how to allow people out without it turning into a bloodbath is beyond fucked. It might have been easier (and still beyond fucked) to have not taken prisoners and kill anyone and everyone that flew the ISIS flag before “victory” was claimed. They know that a majority of prisoners actively plan and openly speak about the torture and murder they will commit if they are able to get out. Which I imagine is what the long term goal of Türkiye and other hostile powers wish to make happen. The nations that want to keep their hands clean of bringing ISIS families back home to have to deal with are fine with Kurds being killed. Just like how the US and the West have done with green-washing themselves by pushing shit off onto “third world” nations.
I’ve gotten into countless screaming matches online with the people who supported the absolute bullshit about the Shamima Begum case, the “ISIS bride” who left the UK and joined up with ISIS before the UK stripped her of her citizenship.
At no point did I ever convince a single person who supported the UK government’s actions on the basis of:
Upholding international law that the UK is a signatory to
The fact that UK citizens are the UK’s responsibility and that they need to deal with them rather than exporting their problems to developing countries
That a country should not be able to take punitive actions against a citizen by decree without there being a fair judicial process where the accused has an opportunity to defend themselves against the charges and to be evaluated for stuff like their competence because this sets a dangerous precedent for anyone who cares about civil liberties
That Shamima Begum was literally a child who was groomed online and that she should be given leniency based on the fact that she was a stupid kid who made stupid choices
That the best way to make lifelong supporters of ISIS is to strip people of citizenship and mark them as international terrorists (despite there being no charges laid against Shamima in a court of law) so that they become completely dependent upon ISIS and have zero way to reintegrate into society because now they literally cannot enter any country ever again, so this act is one of the most supportive of ISIS and anyone who supports this act is directly aiding and abetting ISIS by creating the political consensus to make it a reality in the first place
That the second best way to make lifelong supporters of ISIS is to provide them with a person who is basically guaranteed to become their broodmare for the next 30 odd years
This was before it came out that she was smuggled to Syria by a Canadian intelligence agent btw.
We’re not talking hypotheticals here either.
This is yet-another example of actions by the US that just so happen to support ISIS. Between reports of the US military arming and training groups flying the SDF flag only to discover them a short time later fighting for ISIS and shifty things to do with abandoning weapons caches and funding sources in gulf states it’s enough to make me wonder if the US actually opposes ISIS or if it’s another Gladio type situation.
definitely this, america always does shit like this.