Walz has backed many progressive priorities — but not everything.
  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
    336·
    5 months ago

    It’s possible for one person to have varying views on multiple topics.

    For example, I’ve been a registered Democrat all my life, but I’m also a gun owner and pro death penalty.

    People vary. Nobody expects purity top to bottom.

    • Wogi@lemmy.world
      144·
      5 months ago

      I would like to have a respectful disagreement.

      I put forward that while it is understandable to desire the death penalty when serving justice, that the government should not enjoy that power. That it is too often erroneous in it’s prosecution of justice, if not occasionally willfully so, to be entrusted with the power to execute any criminal, no matter the crime or preponderance of evidence.

      Your rebuttal, sir/madame/all else.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
        126·
        5 months ago

        I believe that the death penalty needs to be reserved for the most severe crimes, it shouldn’t be handed out willy nilly like Texas does.

        Case in point, this asshole, there is no “correcting” this behavior. The only response society should have given him is “better luck next time.”

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westley_Allan_Dodd

        It’s a travesty this asshole was allowed to plead out of a death penalty:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Weaver_III

        Is the death penalty over used? Absolutely. Is it unfairly applied racially? No doubt about it.

        I see those as arguments to correct it and keep it in order to remove literal monsters. It’s not about punishment, or even deterrent, it’s about telling another human being “What you have done is beyond redemption, there’s nothing left for you here.”

        • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
          71·
          5 months ago

          I see those as arguments to correct it

          It’s administered by humans and so there will always be error, intentional or otherwise.

          You’re saying you’re comfortable with the state occasionally straight up murdering the wrong guy.

          • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
            24·
            5 months ago

            Not at all, read the two cases I linked, they are abdolute monsters and there is no question about it. 0% chance of “the wrong guy”.

            • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
              41·
              4 months ago

              The links aren’t really relevant. What about other cases where the state murdered an innocent person? Just because they get it right sometimes it doesn’t excuse the other times when they don’t.

              • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
                11·
                4 months ago

                I’m not excusing anything, I’m saying the inherent problems with the death penalty are excuses for correcting it and keeping it rather than getting rid of it.

                There are unequivocable monsters in our society that should be exterminated, I cited two proven examples.

                • mbtrhcs@feddit.org
                  5·
                  4 months ago

                  There are unequivocable monsters in our society that should be exterminated

                  And who gets to decide who falls under that? If you ask former (and possibly future) president Trump, the left is “vermin” and immigrants “poison the blood”; his pick for VP is happy to sign off on progressives being called “unhuman”. Should these groups – in their view unequivocable monsters – be exterminated?

                • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  31·
                  4 months ago

                  Ok. I see no reason to continue this discussion if you’re just going to ignore the point I’m making. One last time: the system can’t be “corrected”, there will always be errors, innocent people will die.

        • blackbelt352@lemmy.world
          61·
          5 months ago

          This is a pretty reasonable take on the death penalty, one I actually pretty closely align with, even with as much as I don’t like it. It needs to be the absolute last resort for only the most heinous and indefensible of crimes.

            • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
              5·
              5 months ago

              I would hypothetically be for the death penalty for heinous crimes if our judicial system was 100% foolproof. Unfortunately, false convictions happen surprisingly often, there have even been cases of death row inmates being exonerated. I don’t think the benefits of the death penalty justify even one single wrongful death, so practically I’m against it.

              • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
                22·
                5 months ago

                In the two cases I listed there was no question of guilt. No problem throwing the death penalty at them.

                • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  4 months ago

                  I don’t know the details of those two cases, so perhaps. As a policy it’s still subject to the existence of false convictions though, so not worth it to me

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          4·
          5 months ago

          What would you say about using the death penalty in a case where corporate mismanagement causes hundreds of deaths, and all those deaths can very clearly traced back to one decision made by one individual, who knew and also should have known the potential consequences?

          Something like the Boeing planes falling out of the sky.

          • jordanlund@lemmy.worldM
            23·
            5 months ago

            I don’t see that as being a death penalty case unless the person involved did it with the intent of killing as many people as possible.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
      133·
      4 months ago

      Bernie endorsed Genocide Joe to stay as candidate at the peak of unpopularity. Bernie has wasted all his endorsement cred

  • ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    5 months ago

    The photo of Walz in the thumbnail just made me realize that he is the antithesis of Trump physically.

    He has very pale skin (not trying to hide it with a shit load of orange toner).

    He’s proudly bald (not trying to hide that with a ridiculously elaborate comb-over).

    He’s a very cheerful and open person (not hiding behind a manufactured aura of authority).

    Yes, he’s significantly younger than Trump. But my point is that Walz is leaning into his image. He’s clearly comfortable in his own skin (as the saying goes). And he doesn’t need to try to exude authority or demand respect because he exhibits and gets those through his attitude and his actions.

    It’s refreshing. In an era where appearance is everything and there’s so much posturing and focus on looks and stage demeanor, his candidness and positivity is naturally infectious.

    Harris also seems content in her own skin. And it’s tougher for her because of the stereotypes associated with her gender. But she juggles those expectations while not fixating on it.

  • BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world
    71·
    4 months ago

    Centrists are progressive in the US. They’re not leftist, but they’re still further left than most of the Democratic Party.