• givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOP
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    4 months ago

    “We have 42 days to the Democratic Convention and 119 days to the general election,” Biden said in the letter

    Sounds like we got 42 more days to name a candidate…

    Why the fuck are we pretending this is only Biden’s decision though?

    The DNC can nominate anyone they want, and Biden already said he doesn’t care if trump wins.

    So why does Biden get to insist he’s the candidate? Especially when every metric and data point we have, shows Biden won’t be able to pull it off?

    This election is more important than an 81 year olds personal beliefs and if “Lord God” has told him to drop out or not

    Pushing forward with Joe is damn near suicidal at this point.

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      The DNC can nominate whoever, but one point of contention will be the millions in individual donations for Biden-Harris…

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        Millions sound like a lot…

        But it was projected to cost 2 billion for Biden to beat Trump this election.

        But the bulk of Biden’s money is in the BVF, something that the DNC has access to as well. Lots of people confuse that with Biden’s money only.

        The majority of the money isn’t just controlled by Biden’s campaign.

        I’d like to think he’d hand it over to the new candidate, but even if he doesn’t. Dark money won’t start flowing for another month or so that’s when it’s too late to track down before the election.

        Did you hear about it last election?

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-64-million-mystery-anonymous-donations-2024-presidential-campaign/

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          I don’t know whether or not campaign finance rules allow it, I was just thinking it will be problematic to that new person’s campaign.

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            If Biden cooperates gracefully, every penny he has for 2024 can go to the new candidate.

            Or he can act like a petulant child and hold on to as much as he can out of spite to hurt his replacement

            I don’t think what little he could hold onto would matter. And I don’t know if he’d give it up or fight to keep the money

            But if your opinion of Biden is he will do anything to stop trump, then if he’s replaced his money isn’t an issue, he’d give it up immediately.

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              I haven’t told you any of my opinions, just a concern I was wondering about. I get that this topic is contentious, but I don’t know why you downvoted my comment as this is a legit question…

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                The comment you’re talking about…

                I’m the only one that upvoted you, not the only one who down voted you

                Lemmy votes don’t matter. But if you really care I could upload a screenshot to imgur and give you the link I guess.

                Supposedly there’s a way to tell from Lemmy? I don’t know tho, because up votes don’t matter.

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      I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment, but technically it is entirely up to Biden, and no one else. The DNC can’t just nominate whoever they want, there was a primary to determine the nominee. Most delegates that will vote for him at the convention, must vote for him. They’re required by state law to vote with the primary’s popular vote. The only way for that to change is for Biden to decide to step aside. Then the delegates would be free to vote however they wanted.

      It’s a messed up and broken system that is hard to call democratic, but internal party politics rarely are. He needs to be the bigger person and step aside. It’s pure hubris at this point for him to think he’s the only human being in a country of 300 million who could beat Trump.

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        The DNC can’t just nominate whoever they want, there was a primary to determine the nominee.

        That’s not what the DNCs lawyers argued to a judge less than a decade ago…

        You’re assuming the DNC can’t just change their own rules first. Which is what the DNC is currently acting like.

        It’s not true though. They change their own rules all the time.

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          You’re assuming the DNC can’t just change their own rules first.

          The DNC is a private corporation. Corporations are people too, friend.

          Everything you said checks out, sir.

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          What the DNC lawyers say and what the general public will allow are two different things.

          If Joe doesn’t volunteer to step down, and it looks like he won’t here’s what will happen:

          1. Joe runs and loses.

          2. DNC removes Joe for Kamala and she loses because everyone hates her.

          3. DNC forces both Joe and Kamala out and they lose because the voters had no say in the process.

          Really, the only way out here is for Joe to die and get replaced by Kamala who then gets the sympathy vote.

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            Yeah, but polls show voters want to replace him…

            If the DNC replaced him, that’s what voters want.

            Kamala and she loses because everyone hates her.

            I’m linking this too much probably.

            But this podcast changed my mind about her. Still think she’ll be a bad president. But trump is probably the only candidate she can beat, even with the 29% approval rating. After this video I think she can beat trump.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jic_uL3-q4

            If you’re worried Kamala can’t beat Trump, watching the first half of that will make you feel a lot better about her.

            Because honestly, I can’t imagine the DNC let’s anyone else takeover.

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              The polls don’t know what they want and your average voter is a moron. If they asked them “Well, what should we do?” most likely the answer would be “Well, re-run the primary!” not realizing it takes 6 months to run a primary in 50 states+DC.

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                The polls don’t know what they want and your average voter is a moron.

                So you think voters will do a 180 and now be upset Biden is replaced when they’ve been calling for him to be replaced?

                I don’t understand.

                There’s been no waffling in the polls, even in 2020 voters thought Biden’s age was a significant issue.

                They still do, but they used to too.

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                  I do, because they will have had no say in who replaces him.

                  The same way the DNC forced Hillary on everyone in 2016.

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                    because they will have had no say in who replaces him.

                    I agree with that

                    But I think Biden and Hillary are the only two who can lose to trump.

                    I think if it’s not Biden it’s Kamala. If you still don’t think she can win, check out that podcast I linked you. I know podcasts suck, but it’s really fucking good and logically spells out how despite how bad Kamala is, she can still beat Trump. And like we’ve said, they agree she’s pretty much the only one the DNC would nominate