• lugal@lemmy.ml
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      8 months ago

      Keep in mind that before that, people worked much less in winter and still less than today in summer

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        8 months ago

        Admittedly, they were completely at the mercy of disease, herd migration, had no plumbing, buried astounding numbers of their children, were not the apex predator, didn’t have mattresses and when injuries happened they often healed poorly and painfully.

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          8 months ago

          And if I worked less hours in my office job, all that would return?

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            8 months ago

            Your office job is incompatible with the pre-agrarian lifestyle you described earlier.

            You don’t get modern luxuries AND the minimal hours required as a hunter gatherer, just as I can’t get the speed of my car AND the cardiovascular benefits of my bike simultaneously.

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              8 months ago

              He’s not talking about “pre-agrarian;” even medieval peasants got more time off than we do today.

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              8 months ago

              With an ebike you can! 25mph (more if you jail break it) And all the pedaling your heart desires!

              You can have both! Our insane productivity rises in the past century SHOULD have allowed us all modern luxuries and like half the current working hours. Corporate greed has robbed you of that while wages have stagnated

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                8 months ago

                Pedalling while the engine is doing the work isn’t really the same cardiovascular workout.

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              You’re a crab in a bucket and so wrong.

              If you need to work to afford to live, you’re being lied to about what’s possible for a healthy and functioning modern society to thrive.

              Don’t forget that in order for capitalism to stay alive, it requires poverty, manufactured scarcity and obsolescence.

              You should question why billionaires even exist in what you consider to be a just and modern society. You should also look up a visual representation of just how much larger 1 billion is from whatever your gross annual income is if you still think it’s reasonable that they do exist.

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                You okay? I wrote about pre agrarian societies and you went with a semi hinged rant about capitalism and billionaires?

                If you meant to respond to my point though, I’m super curious how you think a society where almost everyone spends their work time getting food ALSO develops the luxuries of modern life, like a washing machine. Everyone work 2 jobs? That seems pretty against the whole free time thing. So, uhhh, help from Aliens or Jesus?

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                  8 months ago

                  Your post was a view point that we couldn’t work less while maintaining modern conveniences and luxuries, at least that’s how it’s coming across.

                  If your point was simply that in pre-modern times they didn’t have what we have today and that it was due to working too much for sustaining life to develop, then ok I guess. Maybe I misread the thread. The main post was about the fact we’re working too many hours in our current society though so… yeah.

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                    8 months ago

                    I really appreciate that response and I think it’s a good example of what I love about Lemmy.

                    In my head, the thread was about OP’s addition to the image, which was “whoever invented the 8 hour 5 day work week is Satan.” Where, ehhh, 8 hour work day feels like an improvement on most of history.

                    Original image, I more agree with you. I think we do have technological surplus that could be better allocated towards labour/leisure/all our modern conveniences. But, I am keenly aware it is capitalism/civilization/whatever that got us here.

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                8 months ago

                The person you’re responding to gave no reason to think this mountain of accusations