He also supported Palestine on and before October 8 2023 at great personal cost, he has supported Iran through the entire conflict as well. He has been very supportive of China as a socialist project.
His takes on Russia Ukraine are mediocre or sometimes bad.
He offered preference to platner, although his support was pretty tepid and not really at the level of “endorsement” in the way this meme characterizes it. He called it “critical support” and now he needs to own that.
As usual I would like to offer a fair assessment of people and institutions rather than trying to dunk on a caricature of someone (or support a caricature either), but I guess that’s not as fun.
He offered preference to platner, although his support was pretty tepid and not really at the level of “endorsement” in the way this meme characterizes it. He called it “critical support” and now he needs to own that.
He still is misrepresenting the troop thing, so that aspect of the OP is totally deserved.
I think it would be beneficial to the conversation if you substantiate what youre saying because your comment is very nonspecific.
On the stream when this news first broke, there were tangents were chat was challenging him around if he’d have the same level of tolerance for an ex-IDF candidate, and he went on and on about how troop exploders are bad and it’s actually very important that we allow for repentant vets to be accepted as allies, tacitly ignoring that Platner is by no means “repentant” and wears his “service” as a badge of honor. This is how Hasan has been talking about Platner basically the whole time and it’s deeply annoying and disingenuous, and using his whining about “ultras” as a smokescreen for tailism.
The meme also depicts Bernie Sanders saying “heil Hitler”, which honestly is WAY more out of pocket than Hasan calling Platner an “ideal candidate”. You are way too invested in defending Hasan over something that is extremely obviously intended to be caricature rather than an accurate depiction.
I’m not exactly invested I’m interested in the discussion. Discussing Bernie on hexbear.net in 2026 is not interesting to me. Hasan is far more influential over left politics than Bernie right now so in order to keep the discussion interesting it needs to be accurate.
It’s a deliberately and obviously exaggerated meme that is rightfully criticising Hasan for being far too charitable to a neonazi who boasts about committing war crimes, not a “discussion”. Even leaving that aside, whether or not Hasan literally called him an “ideal” candidate is not the issue - promoting Platner at all was always both morally bankrupt and terrible tactics because it has always been clear that he is pure evil and something was bound to come out. Handwringing over Hasan actually maybe not really liking him all that much is pathetic apologia for a man who was pushing a literal Nazi as a candidate.
I think him saying he doesn’t care what Platner did “in service” is pretty damning, unless there’s some missing context that radically changes the clip
The context is that Hasan’s view is that “as long as he is Anti-israel, then it’s worth people to vote for, the priority is ending support for the genocide and the Israeli state on a political level, regardless of the personal background of the politician”. To my knowledge the rest of his commentary on Platner was analysis rather than outright support from a “harm reduction” perspective.
The “I dont care” is not exactly a literal “I dont care about the bad things he did, and im perfectly fine with him as a candidate” it is more “I have discussed this at length on stream in my political commentary, and some of you keep coming at me from my left about it but ‘I dont care [about the commentary from my left flank on this topic] anymore because I’ve had this discussion every day’”. He is addressing the chatter more than the topic in those clips, by my reading.
It doesn’t radically change the clip(s), but I don’t think it is an accurate representation of his position. I am not saying that I personally agree with his position either. Totally fine if you want to flame him with context. I also want to point out that this clip is not evidence of him requesting donations or campaigning with him as implied by the QT, but that isn’t directly relevant to our discussion.
It is very easy to clip hasan like this from the right or the left, so I would not weight it too heavily when you see it unless it is an unedited 30+ seconds.
Oh so if Hasan was repeatedly warned and was annoyed by those who were correct, that actually makes it better? Maybe Hasan needs to stop downplaying and ignoring and mocking the concerns from his left flank, and instead just listen to them and change his position. Then he would no longer have to keep addressing it all the time.
It’s like the Israel-Cool thing, it kept coming up for years until it was resolved because left-flank criticism kept coming and springing up. Then once they fixed the issue, it went away and never came up again. Hasan could have made Platner go away and never come up again on his stream as a tense subject by just condemning Democratic Party electoralism and wipe his hands of it entirely, but he cannot do that because he is fundamentally a clinger-on to the Democrats and Bernie-Stay-Behind-Apparatus which is a multi-million dollar political machine.
I’m just pointing out the context actually makes it worse. That this didn’t just come out of nowhere to surprise Hasan who wasn’t really paying attention to it. It was a hill he already planted his flag on and wanted to die on. He had already heard the correct positions, and rejected them as ultra.
Most of the people who made being for/against that emoji their entire personality ended up getting banned during that struggle session, I think most of us don’t really care too much about it now.
I’m just glad I was wrong about it potentially inviting anti-Semites in, that doesn’t seem to have happened. Though that could also be because being anti-Israel is much more acceptable now, so they don’t need to infiltrate a niche leftist forum to spread their bullshit.
I’m not moralizing, i’m clowning on a guy who has bad judgment and bad analysis. I don’t care about “sins” I care about the way his mind works and the ideology he spreads. Just because he did something good via Cuba does not make his streams any less brain damaging to those watching. Even when he’s right, he’s often hedging it and giving a ton of ground up for no reason and using the most spurious and silly lib logic to get there. It’s really quite something how he manages to be corrrect incorrectly so often. It’s clear he doesn’t grasp historical materialism or marxism but just follows the Twitter radlib lines of the day (which often are right, but not always, as seen in this Platner scandal or in his Russia analysis or his never-ending Democratic Party electoralism)
And it would be one thing if he was new to politics, everyone starts out a little confused. But he’s been around in the politics sphere for over a decade at this point, should have learned these lessons by now, and consistently ignores any criticism from his left. People were warning him about this for months but he kept doubling down on his radliberal ideology of lesser-evilism that he’s locked into. Maybe he should try actually listening to those to his left for once. He has huge blindspots that those on his left warn him about, and he mocks us instead of taking us seriously. I will do the same, in kind, to him. I will not take him seriously until he takes Marxism seriously - which means shutting up for once and doing some reading.
This is the exact same logic that was used to defend AOC and Bernie when they were skibi-rizzling the kids into social fascist Liberal Zionism because “AOC has done more for socialism than you ever have!” and “she’s moving the overton window left!” was screamed at you when you applied any Marxist critique to this well worn centuries old pattern of succ dem bullshit.
Stop using Liberal utilitarian “lesser evil” logic. It’s idealistic and fake and repeatedly is leading you to disgusting places, like defenses of Platner because of “lesser evil”. I always see it used when defending liberalism and bad ideas, that the bad ideas must be taken seriously and respected because the person pushing them has done so nebulous “praxis” and has a net positive karma score or whatever the fuck Liberal shit is going on in one’s mind palace to justify this nonsense.
Bernie and AOC have passed bills in into law that have “a net positive impact on the working class”. Doesn’t that get them points too? This entire point system is stupid and an idealist way to see the world. Either their views are correct or they are not. No amount of charitable or “correct” actions makes their stupid incoherent and social chauvinist views correct.
Doing it in a thread where we are criticizing him (correctly) for his worldview leading him to supporting a Nazi mercenary social fascist accused of SA. That’s where you feel you must de-rail threads to “give credit” to Hasan and make excuses, downplay everything, and ask that we don’t spread memes mocking him. Read the room. This shit is not needed. You are repeating the exact Liberal arguments and ideas which led us here in the first place, and you are demonstrating you have learned nothing and will do it again just like Hasan. You’ve got the same brainrot that leads to these ends, the same neural pathways going to the same tired idealist lib arguments and excuses, like water flowing down a hill in the worn ruts. We’ve heard it time and time again at this point, do you think it is helpful to chime in at this moment?
Overton window is idealist and fake. You are just proving your brain works in the wrong way, and it’s likely because Hasan’s stupid streams programmed that into you. Stop using idealist utilitarian analysis. I reject everything you are saying as complete unscientific bunk. The worsening conditions of our economy lead to the growth in the anti-capitalist left, Bernie is an opportunist riding a wave. He did not create it, and he only used its energy and diverted it into the Democrat Party.
You keep completely ignoring my points about your idealist worldview. It’s fake. There’s no such thing as overton window. There’s no such thing as lesser evil. These are fake Liberal things that you accept as real and that shape your imagination of what is possible, and how the world works, and what strategies you should employ to change it. I please beg of you to read Marx.
There’s no amount of positive impact that can outweigh the way he pushes voting as the be all, end all of politics. He could convince every single follower of his that Joseph Stalin was the second coming of Christ but if he also convinced them that the best way to achieve the USSA was to vote for socdems running for the democratic party, it would be pointless.
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He also supported Palestine on and before October 8 2023 at great personal cost, he has supported Iran through the entire conflict as well. He has been very supportive of China as a socialist project.
His takes on Russia Ukraine are mediocre or sometimes bad.
He offered preference to platner, although his support was pretty tepid and not really at the level of “endorsement” in the way this meme characterizes it. He called it “critical support” and now he needs to own that.
As usual I would like to offer a fair assessment of people and institutions rather than trying to dunk on a caricature of someone (or support a caricature either), but I guess that’s not as fun.
He still is misrepresenting the troop thing, so that aspect of the OP is totally deserved.
The aspect of the OP that I would contest is the implication that Hasan ever suggested Platner to be an “ideal leftist candidate”.
I think it would be beneficial to the conversation if you substantiate what youre saying because your comment is very nonspecific.
On the stream when this news first broke, there were tangents were chat was challenging him around if he’d have the same level of tolerance for an ex-IDF candidate, and he went on and on about how troop exploders are bad and it’s actually very important that we allow for repentant vets to be accepted as allies, tacitly ignoring that Platner is by no means “repentant” and wears his “service” as a badge of honor. This is how Hasan has been talking about Platner basically the whole time and it’s deeply annoying and disingenuous, and using his whining about “ultras” as a smokescreen for tailism.
Thanks comrade I appreciate you bringing your perspective
The meme also depicts Bernie Sanders saying “heil Hitler”, which honestly is WAY more out of pocket than Hasan calling Platner an “ideal candidate”. You are way too invested in defending Hasan over something that is extremely obviously intended to be caricature rather than an accurate depiction.
I’m not exactly invested I’m interested in the discussion. Discussing Bernie on hexbear.net in 2026 is not interesting to me. Hasan is far more influential over left politics than Bernie right now so in order to keep the discussion interesting it needs to be accurate.
It’s a deliberately and obviously exaggerated meme that is rightfully criticising Hasan for being far too charitable to a neonazi who boasts about committing war crimes, not a “discussion”. Even leaving that aside, whether or not Hasan literally called him an “ideal” candidate is not the issue - promoting Platner at all was always both morally bankrupt and terrible tactics because it has always been clear that he is pure evil and something was bound to come out. Handwringing over Hasan actually maybe not really liking him all that much is pathetic apologia for a man who was pushing a literal Nazi as a candidate.
I think him saying he doesn’t care what Platner did “in service” is pretty damning, unless there’s some missing context that radically changes the clip
https://nitter.net/lukeheerdanWTF/status/2074523283043553749
The context is that Hasan’s view is that “as long as he is Anti-israel, then it’s worth people to vote for, the priority is ending support for the genocide and the Israeli state on a political level, regardless of the personal background of the politician”. To my knowledge the rest of his commentary on Platner was analysis rather than outright support from a “harm reduction” perspective.
The “I dont care” is not exactly a literal “I dont care about the bad things he did, and im perfectly fine with him as a candidate” it is more “I have discussed this at length on stream in my political commentary, and some of you keep coming at me from my left about it but ‘I dont care [about the commentary from my left flank on this topic] anymore because I’ve had this discussion every day’”. He is addressing the chatter more than the topic in those clips, by my reading.
It doesn’t radically change the clip(s), but I don’t think it is an accurate representation of his position. I am not saying that I personally agree with his position either. Totally fine if you want to flame him with context. I also want to point out that this clip is not evidence of him requesting donations or campaigning with him as implied by the QT, but that isn’t directly relevant to our discussion.
It is very easy to clip hasan like this from the right or the left, so I would not weight it too heavily when you see it unless it is an unedited 30+ seconds.
Oh so if Hasan was repeatedly warned and was annoyed by those who were correct, that actually makes it better? Maybe Hasan needs to stop downplaying and ignoring and mocking the concerns from his left flank, and instead just listen to them and change his position. Then he would no longer have to keep addressing it all the time.
It’s like the Israel-Cool thing, it kept coming up for years until it was resolved because left-flank criticism kept coming and springing up. Then once they fixed the issue, it went away and never came up again. Hasan could have made Platner go away and never come up again on his stream as a tense subject by just condemning Democratic Party electoralism and wipe his hands of it entirely, but he cannot do that because he is fundamentally a clinger-on to the Democrats and Bernie-Stay-Behind-Apparatus which is a multi-million dollar political machine.
Nah, it seems you’ve misunderstood what I’m trying to communicate here.
I’m just pointing out the context actually makes it worse. That this didn’t just come out of nowhere to surprise Hasan who wasn’t really paying attention to it. It was a hill he already planted his flag on and wanted to die on. He had already heard the correct positions, and rejected them as ultra.
I largely agree with what you stated here.
lmfao
TBF there have been other liberal Zionism struggle sessions but, to my knowledge, no others over
Most of the people who made being for/against that emoji their entire personality ended up getting banned during that struggle session, I think most of us don’t really care too much about it now.
I’m just glad I was wrong about it potentially inviting anti-Semites in, that doesn’t seem to have happened. Though that could also be because being anti-Israel is much more acceptable now, so they don’t need to infiltrate a niche leftist forum to spread their bullshit.
kinda dressing them up, he regularly jerks it to ukrainian stochastic terror on people that used to be ukrainian in the donbas
I’m not moralizing, i’m clowning on a guy who has bad judgment and bad analysis. I don’t care about “sins” I care about the way his mind works and the ideology he spreads. Just because he did something good via Cuba does not make his streams any less brain damaging to those watching. Even when he’s right, he’s often hedging it and giving a ton of ground up for no reason and using the most spurious and silly lib logic to get there. It’s really quite something how he manages to be corrrect incorrectly so often. It’s clear he doesn’t grasp historical materialism or marxism but just follows the Twitter radlib lines of the day (which often are right, but not always, as seen in this Platner scandal or in his Russia analysis or his never-ending Democratic Party electoralism)
And it would be one thing if he was new to politics, everyone starts out a little confused. But he’s been around in the politics sphere for over a decade at this point, should have learned these lessons by now, and consistently ignores any criticism from his left. People were warning him about this for months but he kept doubling down on his radliberal ideology of lesser-evilism that he’s locked into. Maybe he should try actually listening to those to his left for once. He has huge blindspots that those on his left warn him about, and he mocks us instead of taking us seriously. I will do the same, in kind, to him. I will not take him seriously until he takes Marxism seriously - which means shutting up for once and doing some reading.
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This is the exact same logic that was used to defend AOC and Bernie when they were skibi-rizzling the kids into social fascist Liberal Zionism because “AOC has done more for socialism than you ever have!” and “she’s moving the overton window left!” was screamed at you when you applied any Marxist critique to this well worn centuries old pattern of succ dem bullshit.
Stop using Liberal utilitarian “lesser evil” logic. It’s idealistic and fake and repeatedly is leading you to disgusting places, like defenses of Platner because of “lesser evil”. I always see it used when defending liberalism and bad ideas, that the bad ideas must be taken seriously and respected because the person pushing them has done so nebulous “praxis” and has a net positive karma score or whatever the fuck Liberal shit is going on in one’s mind palace to justify this nonsense.
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Bernie and AOC have passed bills in into law that have “a net positive impact on the working class”. Doesn’t that get them points too? This entire point system is stupid and an idealist way to see the world. Either their views are correct or they are not. No amount of charitable or “correct” actions makes their stupid incoherent and social chauvinist views correct.
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Doing it in a thread where we are criticizing him (correctly) for his worldview leading him to supporting a Nazi mercenary social fascist accused of SA. That’s where you feel you must de-rail threads to “give credit” to Hasan and make excuses, downplay everything, and ask that we don’t spread memes mocking him. Read the room. This shit is not needed. You are repeating the exact Liberal arguments and ideas which led us here in the first place, and you are demonstrating you have learned nothing and will do it again just like Hasan. You’ve got the same brainrot that leads to these ends, the same neural pathways going to the same tired idealist lib arguments and excuses, like water flowing down a hill in the worn ruts. We’ve heard it time and time again at this point, do you think it is helpful to chime in at this moment?
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Overton window is idealist and fake. You are just proving your brain works in the wrong way, and it’s likely because Hasan’s stupid streams programmed that into you. Stop using idealist utilitarian analysis. I reject everything you are saying as complete unscientific bunk. The worsening conditions of our economy lead to the growth in the anti-capitalist left, Bernie is an opportunist riding a wave. He did not create it, and he only used its energy and diverted it into the Democrat Party.
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Materialist analysis = angry ranting
is that the strategy your brain employs to not engage with materialist thought and remain in idealist great man purgatory? it’s all just rants?
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You keep completely ignoring my points about your idealist worldview. It’s fake. There’s no such thing as overton window. There’s no such thing as lesser evil. These are fake Liberal things that you accept as real and that shape your imagination of what is possible, and how the world works, and what strategies you should employ to change it. I please beg of you to read Marx.
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There’s no amount of positive impact that can outweigh the way he pushes voting as the be all, end all of politics. He could convince every single follower of his that Joseph Stalin was the second coming of Christ but if he also convinced them that the best way to achieve the USSA was to vote for socdems running for the democratic party, it would be pointless.