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    The claim “vaccines do not cause autism” is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.

    Oh look, the bizzaro scientific method.

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      Prove me “crazy thing” wrong! No I don’t have to show evidence you have to show evidence against it.

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        It’s so stupid. You can’t prove a negative. The people claiming vaccines cause autism need to show evidence for their claim, not the other way around.

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      The claim that “vaccines do not make you actually super hot and cool” is not an evidenced-based claim because no one has actually ruled out that vaccinated people are cooler and actually better hangs.

      Equally valid statement

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      Unfortunately they are starting to exploit the biggest “weakness” in science. That theories are valid only because they have yet to be disproven. And that theories will change if new evidence is introduced to the contrary.

      They are now basically saying “well since you can’t prove it, there’s a chance” which is fundamentally correct at its base but it’s in extremely bad faith.

      They’re now basically forcing people to prove a negative, which is impossible as a means of forcing their views.

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        That theories are valid only because they have yet to be disproven.

        No, scientific theories are valid because they are overwhelmingly supported by evidence.

        While it is true that they can be changed or replaced by evidence that dos not fit the theory, they are not just speculation waiting to be disproven. The ‘biggest weakness’ you are describing is a complete misunderstanding of science.

        Your last sentence is correct, but also contradicts your first paragraph.

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        The weakness of science is its vulnerability to sophistry and its demand for trusting evidence over what sounds right. The strength of science is that no other framework has ever come close to it in ability to draw practical conclusions about reality.

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    I thought living in the future meant we would all be super smart and know shit, not whatever the fuck this is.

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      I thought living in the future meant people would understand how to use computers.

      I was, uh, wrong.

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      Thank you for your daily contribution to capitalist society. Unfortunately, your woke-style awareness of social dilemma is counter to the goals of:

      • Increased profit
      • Decreased labor costs
      • More regressive taxes
      • Less progressive taxes
      • Military domination
      • Economical domination
      • Cultural division
      • Decreased regulation
      • Decreased education

      You’ll have 15 social credits deducted and may participate in free speech once again starting at 12:00pm tomorrow. Be aware that your score is nearing levels that will prevent job occupation, social program participation, social media participation, sunlight exposure, and time spent with family. Should your score decrease further, you may be required to shop exclusively from Grade D consumption centers. Have a good day.

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        I don’t think so, Tube Titties. There has been a lot of smart fucking politicians, and lots of solid fucking political movements.

        I think it’s money. Money has superseded democracy and rule of law. It’s literally the only thing that matters. That is the problem.

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            Well, see, there’s your problem right there. There is a distinction between what politics means and how it gets corrupted.

            Like, in ancient Rome they made a decree that anyone hitting someone has to pay a $50 fine on the spot (or the fucking correlate amount of Sestertians), and one rich fuck went around in his sedan slapping people in the streets and have his posse pay the victim and then move on to the next one.

            That’s hardly “politics”- that’s abuse and loopholing the law.

            There is such a thing as just law, just politics, democracy and basic fucking human decency, and we can have it.

            But rich fucks decided, what if we use our money to corrupt politics, so we can slap people in the face with impunity?

            That’s the problem. Money. Not politics itself.

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              Agreed. Politics is a natural process for us humans. We engage in politics when we raise our hand to be called on in class, or even when we blurt out our answer. We engage in politics when we decide what information should be public, internal, and confidential at work. We engage in politics when we decide to vote on representatives.

              Money is just a medium for stored value, a status provided by collective agreement. Money isn’t inherently political, but it’s often used politically. Funds are often produced or withheld based on political considerations. This is usually fine when it’s money leaving our political system. The bigger problem is when the considerations are set by monolithic entities pushing money into our political system.

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                We engage in politics every time we open our moufs.

                Edit: Yes, and I agree, and I think that if you look at it in an even superficial manner, you see how broken it is. Not to sound naive or anything, but what makes a $10 barber charge $10 and how do we estimate how fair that is.

                I get that I’m touching on complicated economic paradigms here, but to me, as a casual observer, what something is worth, is based on what I’m willing to give.

                But let’s say the system is set up so that I have to provide a certain amount of coal each day, and get paid in lodging, but I also can’t move off the land, and have to pay for my sustenance in the company store, then what does “value” mean?

                They say capitalism is what governs the world because it is the most “efficient”. What does that mean, most efficient? They say it’s what drives ingenuity and innovation. But we had ingenuity and innovation way before we had capitalism. Capitalism has no end game, only more. If we could focus all that energy to something we actually wanted, something everybody everywhere genuinely wanted- good child care, good education, good healthcare, good roads and upkeep, then we could have all that. In my meaning, capitalism is putting the cart before the horse- it presupposes that through competition, the best overall result will come about. But it doesn’t care which result. Just whichever result gets there first. That’s the big point of contention. Money has no rules, no morals, no laws. And it has superseded democracy. Elections = finance. Living = finance. Everything = finance. It has become a self serving cancer, that only maximizes output, and that’s what cancer is. A cheap, singular algorithm, which just so happens to be incompatible with democracy itself, and doesn’t do what most people want, but subsumes them under its own imperative umbrella, and creates division between men.

                Here’s what I’m thinking- capitalism may well be the best “overall” system for increasing wealth, but if I earn 1$ for every $100 you make, then I’m not gonna be happy with that dollar no matter that I’m half a kebab richer, you feel me?

                I’m drunkenly rambling and shaking my fists at clouds, sorry for that. I should delete this but I’ve come this far, fuck it.

                Edit: Fuck me, workers of the world UNITE

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              that sounds fine in theory but you can’t extricate money from politics. even if you enacted a perfect finace reform for all govt officials, average people tend to vote on issues that affect their finances. It’s always going to be about money one way or the other.

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                You’re missing an important distinction ….

                The problem is money distorting politics to harm society or citizens in favor of a few

                Politics serving the needs of citizens, including their economic needs, is NOT

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    the CDC has been a captured entity for years. don’t list to them. follow WHO guidelines instead.

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      Can someone explain the downvotes this guy is getting and why, please? Thank you.

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          Look I am clearly out of the loop here.

          Has the CDC not been regulatory captured for years?

          Just trying to make sense of this here, I don’t know.

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            yes, it has. these people have not been paying attention lol. the CDC was making bad decisions the first Trump presidency due to political pressure. it literally started there, guys, sorry.

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              Look since we’re involved in this discussion here, can somebody provide sources for either side? I mean I know my hunches, but I kind of try to rely on data, hard as that may be to come by these days.

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                i mean, do you not remember their decisions 5 years ago? not being snippy just saying you don’t need sources… you lived it. they abandoned medical reality to force people to go back to work earlier and to stop staying home. no other health organization was saying what they were lol. because they were a captured entity by the Biden administration who forced them to kill us lest the economy suffer.

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                  NO no no no no no, look, I’m 100% not being snippy, I don’t know. I suspect, and I expect, a few things to be true, which are only getting more blatantly confirmed by the day, so I actually don’t know, I just don’t want this place to turn into Reddit, I like to hear shit out on their own merits.

                  Which, to also be fair, you haven’t provided evidence for. I am inclined to agree with you, but I’m too old to base my reality on hunches.