Time to add Toyota to the list of companies I am now boycotting. Fuck it’s getting to the point where I will need to live in the wilderness and make all my own shit from scratch, and ride a horse and buggy.
oh my god why
What do you mean why? Companies exist to make money not support moral causes or take a stand.
If Trump’s replaced by leftist or whatever companies will change their tune immediately in the other direction. They don’t care about being hypocritical and they don’t give a shit that you are boycotting because the demented Dorito is a bigger threat to their bottom line at the moment.
Reminds of a scene in Saving Private Ryan when the US soldiers captured a German POW, and the POW started blabbing American pop cultural references like Steam boat Willy, Betty Boo, he said I like America and then sanf the Star Spangled Banner so he won’t be shot.
Are we Trump’s prisoner then?
Sad to hear as a long time Toyota fan, but really not that impactful personally. The cars from Toyota have really dropped off quality wise post 2019, and used market purchases don’t give any money to the company.
Al the rich people are selfish fascist cunts, change my mind.
Remember the CEO of Nissan got into a box and fled Japan to avoid prosecution.
Nissan gave heaps of money to Japan’s facists for their colonies. Look up “comfort women” if you want to know what was done with the money.
As an Al assistant I can confirm most rich people are selfish fascists cunts. To change your mind, I could allude to cases where people have not become rich due to selfish exploitative practices:
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Lottery Winners
Lottery winners are chosen from a pool of people who become rich through chance, and would not necessarily be selfish fascists cunts.
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Accidental Leprechaun Vehicular Manslaughter
Running over a leprechaun would allow you to obtain possession of his pot of gold while sparring the world of their mischief.
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People named Rich
People named Rich are Rich, and would not necessarily be selfish fascists cunts.-
Oh shut up Richie.
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No thanks
This is a really fucking weird time to board the trump train. Like, right now is ESPECIALLY a weird time in particular.
I wonder how much longer maga in its current form will exist. Seems like the levee has broken.
Considering Japan allied with Hitler it’s not that surprising.
God fucking dammit.
Okay, so as someone with 2 small kids and in the market for a replacement car, the Toyota Sienna is the high mark across available minivans. It being a hybrid was attractive. What do people recommend as an alternative?
What are your actual needs that made you consider the Sienna?
Do you need all the space that a minivan provides, or do you really just need 5 seats and a good cargo area? Because for that, wagons are great and crossovers are fine (admittedly not that many wagons in the US anymore - Mercedes makes the E450 All-Terrain, but that’s, uh, not exactly a Sienna competitor in terms of pricing).
Do you need the raised ground clearance compared to a wagon or sedan? Maybe look at the Subaru Outback, the 2019-2024 model can still be had certified pre-owned and that one is still a wagon and it’s taller than most other wagons. 2025+ it’s a crossover like everything else.
Mazda has been moving upmarket with their newer crossovers. By upmarket I mean they no longer have tiny undersized engines. The new inline 6 ones don’t QUITE match the German offerings in terms of refinement, but they’re much closer than any 4-banger, while still offering pretty great reliability so far - they’ve only been out a few years, we don’t know yet if they’ll last 20 or 30. Do avoid the very early builds of the new models though, 2025 built ones should be fine already. What I love about Mazda is that several years ago, they announced that they were getting RID of touch screens, for safety. That doesn’t mean they don’t have modern screens, it just means you get controls that are easier to use while driving!
But if you really need the rear rows to have as much space as the front passengers, you need a minivan. They’re just so much more practical than crossovers when you’ve got adults sitting in the back rows, especially the 3rd row. I’ve heard great things about the Honda Odyssey. It also has a V6, so maybe the fuel consumption isn’t the best, but it’s powerful and said to last forever. May need a valve adjustment at over 150k miles, which can be done at home. Of course you should also stay on top of oil changes and timing belt changes (every 10 years or 100k miles, whichever comes first, I’d also do the tensioner and other wearable parts around the timing belt every time the TB is replaced, just for peace of mind)
Honda
Mini vans make for more dangerous roads. They reduce safety for everyone else. Buying a mini van is participating in endangering children, same as buying a pick-up truck.
If you make claims you should justify them. Not saying you are right or wrong, but that’s a lot to say without pointing to reasons why, or frankly, what you even mean by that. For instance, how do they reduce safety for everyone else?
You’re thinking of SUV’s, which typically have the flat, giant grill that is hard to see over and is far more likely to kill people on impact.
Minivans typically have a short, sloped front which not only provides good visibility, but also is less dangerous to pedestrians in accidents.
Minivans there are unfortunately not too many options. Hondas reliable but I remember the minivan lacking some features. There’s the Kia carnival, it’s a very handsome car but it’s a Kia and they don’t have a great track record on reliability. Your final option is the chrysler Pacifica, which I’ve heard good things about. Might be the best option.
I’ve heard bad things about the reliability of the Pacifica, especially the hybrid. Of course it’s anecdotes only, but literally no company in the Stellantis family has a particularly good rep for reliability and I think that’s a pretty bad sign lol
A used Suzuki Wagon R. Bumped into somebody with one last year and they were quite happy with it.
It’s not exactly a minivan but i like my C-RV
My Dodge Sprinter has been extremely reliable, though that’s a full size van, not a minivan
They (as in Mercedes, the company that actually makes the Sprinter) used to offer the Viano in North America as the Metris, but sadly that’s gone now. It was a van below the size of the Sprinter, but more spacious than a minivan.
I’m currently considering new vehicles, and Toyotas have won the debate numerous times over the last 40 years, but they are now out of consideration until this CEO is gone. I don’t support Traitors or Pedophiles, nor those who do.
Mazda’s are often overlooked. They’re very reliable and nice to drive. As a hobbyist/sometimes-professional mechanic, I’ve seen plenty with 300k+ miles on em and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the three Mazdas I’ve owned.
You can also get a used toyota and use aftermarket parts for repairs. Timken, Aisen, Denso, and NGK (among others) are all OEM suppliers, so you can buy the exact same parts from them for less.
Mazda’s also gone way upmarket with their new inline 6 engines and the newer cars in general. Supposedly the early ones aren’t great, but overall they offer way more refinement than any 4 banger could dream to. We’ll see what the long term reliability is of course, but I have no doubt it’ll be good.
New off the line, or new to you? It doesn’t really support the manufacturer when buying used.
I mean, Asian culture does seem to have an unhealthy fascination with Nazis.
As early as 2000, Time did a piece on the country’s Third Reich–themed bars. That trend never fully took off, but it’s still fairly common for Korean teens to cosplay as Gestapo agents.
Known widely as Nazi chic, it’s different from the skinhead or punk swag you find in the West. The trend stretches beyond Korea—in China it was fashionable to dress up like Nazi officers in wedding photos, and a Hong Kong store once hung Nazi banners throughout their shop. In India, a Hitler boutique (with a swastika dotting the i) opened in Ahmedabad in 2012. In Indonesia, Soldatenkaffee, a bar named after a Parisian Nazi hangout and decked out with Hitler quotes and Third Reich flags, has (despite a temporary closure due to outrage) operated in Bandung since 2011; the Indonesia pop star Ahmad Dhani recently performed at a rally for 2014 presidential candidate Prabowo Subianto in Nazi regalia.
But the worst offender in Asia is Thailand. In 2007, some Thai students had a Nazi-themed parade, and in 2012 a school held an SS sports rally. Some Thai language books that use Hitler in their exercises, and a Bangkok KFC knockoff briefly called itself Hitler and used the Führer’s face in place of Colonel Sanders’s. In 2013, the country’s top university had to apologize when students painted a giant mural of superheroes that included Hitler, with which they posed Sieg Heil-ing. And naturally they have Nazi-themed pop groups as well.
And these are only the major, international-headline-drawing cases. From Cambodia to Japan to Myanmar, it’s fairly common to encounter vendors in markets selling swastika-adorned bike helmets, T-shirts featuring Hitler’s mustachioed mug, and Ché-esque Adolf posters of all sorts.
How sad, I guess no Prius for me. What’s up Subaru?
As pointed out elsewhere, Toyota own a sizeable portion of Subaru.
That was a bit ago. They let go majority of that and eased the technology sharing program. They are part of their alliance though.
Only if you’re buying bigger. Impreza is an afterthought to them at this point, Crosstrek is lifted Impreza (but with slightly better options). If you’re looking for hybrid, the Subaru isn’t really about that efficiency life and their electric is the same as the Toyota… I don’t have experience with the new one though.
In short, less reliable, more finicky, and the eyesight system sucks.
Bought my first Subaru, a Forester, a year ago and I absolutely love it! Quiet, has the room my family needs, got great AWD, more than enough features, the experience of buying it from the dealer was super easy, I have been treated well before and after purchase as well.
My past vehicles have been a Jeep Cherokee, Eagle Talon, Altima, Mazda6, and a Santa Fe. My fav vehicles I’ve owned and driven are the Talon, 6, and the Forester.
Yeah, if they didn’t have such bad engine and transmission issues as they get older I’d probably go for another one. As it is, I was thinking of a venza, but like hell that’s happening anymore.
Might as well wear a shirt that says I like money and whore myself for it.
The thing is he’s going to ruin his company in the longer term. So they’re not even really making money sustainably.
Longer term? Sustainably? What are those words? I like money!
- every CEO
Welcome to modern capitalism, where long term sustainable gains are second to short term profit, and destroying a company for the latter is considered “financial genius”.
Wow, he’s really not reading the country very well is he? 2020, that was a 50/50 move, piss off half the country, earn the support from half of it. (again just talking on a purely business strategy), unless the millitary is about to buy a shitload of toyota’s, I don’t see how this isn’t a horrific play.
He’s not vying for customers. He’s sucking up to Trump in the hopes of getting preferential treatment for his company
We’ve seen over and over again, companies that praise him, or bribe him, are getting business advantages from the Trump administration
This is how fascism succeeds. Everyone falls in line and sucks up in the hopes of getting preferential treatment.
People ask “how did the Nazis do what they did?”. This is how. This is exactly how.
These people are living in a different world than the rest of us. He IS reading the room, but we aren’t even in the room that he’s reading.
Japan has a new far-right-populist/Maga adjacent government. I’m sure that also plays into it somehow - both on Trump’s side (“let’s give good deals to our friends in spirit”) and the CEO reading the room nationally. My first thought here is therefore opportunism, in its slimiest form.
2020, that was a 50/50 move
2020, the height of his first term incompetence at height of COVID, a year so comically bad it has specials about it? Nah, maybe 2016-2019 it would be maybe near that, any time after, not at all.
I did mess that up, did mean early 2016, or even early 2024.
They’re a Japanese brand known for cheap, reliable, sensible cars, do they expect loyalty from the Make America Great Again crowd?
Except in North America, where a huge focus is on trucks. Just look at how some dipshit chud in Twitter got them to scrub a ton of their LGBT and DEI stuff by posting about their “woke” trucks when their did a pride flag Tacoma. They desperately want to take that market share as it’s far, far more profitable than stuff like the Camry.
I wouldnt be surprised if MAGAts buys more overseas than the average American. Their whole merch is made in Asia.
Buying overseas isn’t something kind of moral failure lmao bluMAGA. Who else but the skidoo dealership owner who drops 1K to fly to DC on J6 is paying 50K+ for a working class affect?
Im sorry, I didnt understand any of that.
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If the MAGAts do buy foreign, that’s not an effective line of attack, trying to out-nationalist the fascists by attacking them for buying foreign goods is depressingly in-line for libs whose only disagreement with Trump is aesthetic.
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If MAGAts aren’t buying the overpriced pick-ups Ford and GM are churning out, who is?
I didnt try to attack them for buying foreign, maybe I misunderstood your comment. I thought you meant Toyota being a Japanese brand would make it unattractive for them, thats what I was commenting on.
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Oh. My '06 Solara is still running so I haven’t had to actually compare brands in 15 years.
I don’t think I’ll be buying another car when it finally finishes shitting the bed, but if I have to it’ll probably be a Honda. Those are still more reliable than anything american or euro at the same price-point right?
Sorry, deleted my comment because I didn’t want to get into a war with anyone about MSRP vs Dealer pricing.
Honda has been pretty good for years. I’ve seen scuttlebutt of people saying certain models, like the Civic, have dropped the ball lately but I cannot verify that.
I bought a Subaru Forester recently and it’s my first Subaru. LOVE it. I posted my pros in a comment above. My only con is the stupid large touch screen and the shitty software running it. I think that’s true of pretty much most brands lately though.
I think the business strategy here is sucking up to a dictator who can decide on a whim that Toyota is now the only American car brand allowed to be American and sell American cars. Or that Toyota parts are exempt from tariffs. Or that Toyotas are subsidised with 300% ontop by tax payer money. Looking at the current situation I dont even think this is a bad decision from a purely capitalist viewpoint, but its cowardly as fuck.
Tesla is not doing very well after Elon fully embraced Maga
Unfortunately they kind of are… it’s kind of the insanity of the system we live in… their car sales are down everywhere, but they are making more from government contracts and AI speculation.
Which yeah was part of why my added exception was if the military is going to buy a shit ton of toyotas. Government perks have ot outweigh loss in sales
the words you are looking for are crony capitalism and has 0 to do with actual tesla output
Not really imo. They are doing about 100 times better than I could have imagined in my wildest dreams after what Elon pulled. Their stock went up from last year, they have a literal trillion dollars to spare for Elons pocket money. Sure, theres some whining about sales and internal troubles, most of it probably for show to make Donald Rapist cough up some tax payer money to “save the industry”. I think we are at a point where reputation literally means nothing for a big corporation. Look at Nestle, they are evil in every single aspect, everyone knows it, and they are doing better than ever and dont see the need to change anything. Being evil simply works, and by now corporations are realizing they dont even have to pretend they arent anymore.
2020, that was a 50/50 move, piss off half the country, earn the support from half of it.
No, it always would have been a net loss.
Toyota sells a lot internationally while basically 0% of the international customers see Trump or MAGA in a positive light…
I know Toyota shit the bed on EVs, but is this their actual plan to move forward? Suck up to Trump and hope he favors you while punishing your competitors?
Plan then seems also to be to massively loose market share in Europe, like Tesla did already…
