• dan1101@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    Either they live in a very high cost of living area or they’re not good at budgeting money.

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    100k just isn’t what it used to be. I guess $200k is the new $100k.

    Bill Adams, chief economist for Comerica Bank, calculates that a worker would have to earn $170,000 in 2025 to wield the same purchasing power that a $100,000 salary delivered in 2005

    OK, who here has seen a 70% increase in your salary over the last 20 years? None of you? Then you are actually worse off than you were back then.

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    One in three six-figure earners described themselves in the poll as financially distressed.

    I know two different six-figure earning households that are also supporting their unemployed/underemployed adult children. I’m not calling the kids lazy either. Unemployment/underemployment is hitting GenZ really hard and that means many are not able finance their own households so they live with parents.

    One of those two was also supporting an aging parent until she passed recently. So, sure, they earn six-figures, but they support 3 generations on that income.

    Two in three said six-figure pay is not a sign of wealth.

    Not a sign of wealth, but is still a sign of privilege. Lots of folks are suffering worse with far less than $100k annual household income.

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    The top 10% of earners drive more than 49% of all consumer spending

    This is insane, this is like apartheid South Africa, an upper class minority owns and gets and decides everything, while the rest are slaves to a system that only supports the upper class while oppressing the poor and working class, to maintain the status quo.

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      Its even worse than that 10% number suggest. Widen the picture a bit more.

      “And that gap is widening to a historic extent, Moody’s Analytics data shows. As of June 30, the top 20% of earners accounted for more than 63% of all spending, and the top 10% accounted for more than 49% — both the highest on record, according to data that goes back to 1989. In 2019, during the comparable period, those shares were 59.2% and 44.6%, respectively.”

      source

      If the bottom 80% of earners stopped spending entirely, only 47% 37% of spending would disappear.

      I learned this statistic last week and it explained something that had been bother me for a long time. Don’t the mega-wealthy understand that if the bottom earners have no money they won’t be able to buy anything the mega-wealthy are selling? This statistic tells the tale. They don’t really need that bottom 80% of earners to spend. They aren’t really customers anymore. The mega-wealthy will sell to each other as it looks like they are doing so much of already.

      Edit:fixed typo

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    Six-figure earners “are concentrated in the largest and most expensive metropolitan areas in the United States, where the living costs are higher,” Adams said.

    That and student loans are a big part of it.

    To make 100k you likely have a bunch of student loans and need to live in an expensive area.

    There’s way too much variation in America to act like numbers mean the same anywhere.

    The more people unite against billionaires, the more we’re going to see rage bait where the goal is to draw the line anywhere else.

    America is fucked, and it’s fucked for some people even tho they make over 100k, they’re nowhere close to the problem.

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    Do they know what they are saying here?

    “Two in three said six-figure pay is not a sign of wealth.”

    “A $100,000 income should put you firmly in the middle class, given that the median annual pay of America’s full-time workers is around $62,000.”

    “Firmly middle class” is not “wealth”. So I guess the article authors are part of that 2 in 3? 🤔

    Though to someone making $30,000 a year, $100,000+ is sure going to SEEM like wealth comparatively speaking.

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      It’s about perspective. People making 30k don’t own homes and don’t have car payments most likely. People making 100k are paying mortgages which cuts their pay by about 1/3 and then a car payments takes another chunk. Not to mention healthcare or car insurance.

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          You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not saying they don’t have those expenses. I’m saying the cost of those things at higher incomes is more.

          Not sure what stage of life you’re in but I’ve been on both sides. I’ve lived off 28k and im fortunate enough now to make 100k. You can try to say both incomes have the same expenses but that is misleading. At 28k I was driving a shitty 98 Honda accord that got stolen several times because all you needed to start it was a screwdriver. I couldn’t afford rent solo so I had to split it with someone. The weeks I paid rent I had to skip meals to make ends meet. I opted out of health insurance at my job because I couldn’t afford to take a $50 pay cut every check.

          At 100k I can afford my mortgage, my car payment that I need because it’s an suv that fits my whole family. Health insurance for a family etc. however it is tight and I can’t afford any other luxuries like vacations or going out to nice dinners for anniversaries and stuff.

          So yes it’s tough on both sides of the spectrum but don’t sit there all high and mighty and tell me to fuck off like I haven’t been on both sides. The other side to this is people at lower incomes LOVE to tell people making more than them that if they had X amount more they would be set but that’s just not true. All of us need to accept that our government is screwing us over and robbing us all of basic necessities. And before you say it yes vacation with your family is a NECESSITY. Time off work is a NECESSITY. Stop buying into the bullshit that we don’t need those things. Life is more than work and sleep.

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            I understand completely. You see a difference between someone making the lower end and I don’t see any difference.

            I’m not the one buying into the bullshit.

            If a person does not have the ability to stop working entirely and live a modest but entertaining life, they are in the same boat as the rest of us. I think this is one of those rare situations in which it is kind of black-and-white. You either have to work or you don’t have to work.

            That’s why they call it the working class!

            Everyone in the working class is in the same class. Let’s not insult each other by nitpicking a few bucks here and there, or even entertaining that there could possibly be a difference just to win an argument online.

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          Let’s cut through the bullshit. They’re trying to equate their six figure salary to 30k. They’re trying to leverage social media to validate their mental gymnastics.

          It happens far too often. Especially on reddit. Whether they get affirmations or refutations they use either response to further cement their position. They love nothing more than to have some poor to try to refute them so they can be condescending to the lowly poors about how financially illiterate they are. And it gives them an opening to further contort their argument out loud about how they make so much money yet are as poor as those with the lowest income. In other words it’s out of touch rich people shit.

          This kind of comment chain happens so much it’s basically scripted.

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            Yes, your comment sounds scripted. There is a big difference between 999k and 100k, yet both are 6 figures.

            People like you just make the lower 99% fight amongst themselves by crying about how one person should shut the fuck up because they can actually pay for basic necessities—yet not much else.

            Know the enemy, bud. It’s not your neighbor.

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              You’re not my neighbor. And you just did exactly what I called you out for. Like I said, scripted responses. I’m sure you felt smug about it. Btw 30k isn’t 100k. See how that works? Or can you not handle someone trying to tell you something up on that high horse.

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                Another “scripted response” to create a divide between the working class. If you have to work to live, then you are exactly the same as everyone else who has to work to live.

                Are you not able to handle someone telling you that the only enemy is the ruling class? Does that make you upset because you know there’s nothing you can do about that? Does the working class seem like an easier target to you and that’s how you get your dopamine?

                I’m happy your life is where it’s at, it’s exactly what you deserve.

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    “Six figures” covers far too wide a gamut. It’s easy to see how a family could struggle today on a $100k salary - imagine multiple children and a high-CoL area - but $999k is a far cry from that.

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      Yeah, these numbers don’t really convey much without a family size and location, so they kind of just become engagement bait.

      In Honolulu, a family of 4 is considered “low-income” (80% of adjusted median income) at $129k. $76k and they can qualify for housing assistance.

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      If you make 6 figures, you should be able to buy a pickup truck without taking a loan.

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        With current prices? You’re out of your mind.

        In theory, sure. Also, stay within your affordability range, and a pickup should be for working, not leather seats and sunroofs.

        But that’s not what they’re doing, let’s be honest, and automakers sure make it easy to get a loan.

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          You are right, I somehow confused six digit and six zeroes.
          I was thinking of someone making a million.

          Still keeping within your means, you should be able to buy a car without taking a loan.

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        If you mean an old Ford Ranger or more recent Maverick then yeah. But we both know they’re talking about the big F-250 Super Duty pickuhp truhck.