• ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 day ago

    the headline always picks the most sensational adjectives to put in….
    he’s still a creep and all, but he didn’t go down some alley looking for homeless children. didn’t know she was 17.
    nuance:

    she falsely advertised herself in 2017 as 18 years old on a website that matches men looking for ‘companionship’ with young women looking to make money.”.
    According to the report by the House Ethics Committee, the girl signed up with a “sugar dating”website that arranged “mutually beneficial relationships,” usually with younger women and older men. That’s when she met Gaetz associate Joel Greenberg who allegedly paid her $400.

    i mean, he would still be obligated to see her ID, if he’s having sex with what he thinks is a barely legal
    nearly illegal aged young woman.
    definitely exploiting impoverished women with his money… taking them to drug parties is even worse….
    but the headline sounds like he offered her braces for sex…

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      21 hours ago

      Yea, it’s an honest mistake that could happen to anyone! I mean, who among us HASN’T ordered an online prostitute who we thought was barely legal that turned out to be underage? There’s no way to avoid it!

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        if anyone’s a victim here, it’s clearly gaetz… he was defrauded by this imposter….
        surely he wasn’t seeking out the youngest looking girls on the website or anything….
        poor guy

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          I love how earlier you said you weren’t defending gaetz and here you are, defending gaetz

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            8 hours ago

            i refuse to believe that you’re too dense to recognize that as sarcasm.
            ….
            so why be a troll? there are many much more fulfilling hobbies.

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              7 hours ago

              Based on your shit takes early about him poes law is in full effect. Not being a troll lol

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                “lol”
                dude we’re talking about a guy who manipulates and has sex with underage girls…
                it’s not funny and you should not be having a fun time with it.
                such a weak, stupid troll… just disgusting

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      1 day ago

      The headline:

      Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz For Money to Buy Braces

      She was literally underage. She needed money for braces. It’s not a misleading headline AT ALL and wanting to put nuance on a headline about a guy treating a child like a prostitute is not a good look for you.

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        18 hours ago

        oh go find someone else to pretend like they’re on gaetz’s side… you can get super mad at them and yell at them while having an imaginary argument where they’re suddenly a Matt Gaetz sympathizer….

        maybe go punch a pillow or something, i’m not the one you’re upset with.

        he’s a horrible person, this is one of the many reasons why…
        he didn’t buy her braces for sex.
        he had sex with an underage girl, for money, gave her drugs….
        her being homeless or needing dental care was far from his mind, i’m sure….

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          10 hours ago

          Your only remaining reason to pointlessly criticise the headline is that you missed the distinction between the role of subject and object in a sentence? What a hill to die on!

          Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz For Money to Buy Braces

          Reread it.

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              Sounds like you still don’t understand and it’s making you cross. I’ll explain.

              Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl…

              The girl is the subject in the sentence. The sentence is about what she did.

              Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz

              Matt Gaetz is the object of the sentence. He is who she did it with.

              For Money to Buy Braces

              And this says why she did it. NOT why he did it.

              So the headline was accurate because that’s exactly what she alleges. Getting all hissy about how he might have had no idea she needed braces is silly because no claim about that was made.

              Spending all day objecting to the wording of the headline, in particular objecting that Matt Gaetz might not have known she was underage made you come across as defending a rich and powerful pedo offender, which, as I said, is not a good look for you.

              A middle aged man having sex with a teenager for money and buying her drugs is starkly immoral even if he claims he didn’t know she was underaged.

              Calling her “barely legal” as you did, when she was not “legal” suggests you’re watching the wrong kind of porn and you think that stuff is fine and take the porn site’s word that it’s legal despite them warning you that it’s on the fringe.

              Maybe you has a more intelligent point to make, but “you’re a moron” didn’t communicate it very effectively.

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      He has a history with underage girls. Don’t defend this pedo. You can’t keep claiming ignorance when it keeps happening.

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        He has a history with underage girls.

        He has enough history that we can judge him for all of it. We don’t need to abandon integrity & accuracy. We shouldn’t fault others for defending the truth. We should fault ourselves for failing to respect it.

        You can’t keep claiming ignorance when it keeps happening.

        They weren’t.

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      There are always people defending these creeps who seek out the youngest most vulnerable sexual partners they can legally fuck. You don’t realise that in saying “he didn’t know she was 17” you’re claiming this behaviour is otherwise okay.

      An old man, fucking an 18 year old is like a fast food boss paying his employees minimum wage: if you could legally get away with less you would. Finding these creeps “accidentally” fucking children is like the manager “accidentally” entering fewer hours on your timesheet every week. You have to be a real dope to believe it was an accident.

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        there’s a difference between something being wrong and illegal, and something being much more wrong and much more illegal….
        legally i don’t think “but i thought she was 18” counts. not that he was prosecuted anyways.
        ….
        i don’t know who’s defending him, personally i’m just talking about exaggerated headlines and accuracy.
        for all i know, he knew she was 17 and required her to make a profile saying she was 18 and pretend to meet him through there so he can have plausible deniability…. actually i’d say that more likely, but i don’t know

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      Can’t say I’m shocked that pointing out clickbait and misleading elements in the headline led to a bunch of downvotes. He’s on the Wrong Team, you see, so if you do anything but swallow the headline whole, reading not a single word past it, with absolutely zero scrutiny, you’re defending him, defending child molestation, and basically a pedophile yourself, you know. /s

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        i still think a lot of it is vote manipulation.
        if leftist online spaces always scream at rational discussion and promote irrational ones, it’ll seem like that’s how they all are and drive them away.
        irl leftists are way way more considerate and go out of their way to respect other people….
        they love debating minutiae….
        but with 10 bots per human these places will always get fucked with like this.

        one dead giveaway is i’ll have -22 votes but the highest vote count is 10….
        and with the way Lemmy sorts comments, once i hit -5 it’s collapsed and buried at the bottom… so if that were real, way way more people are skipping every other comment and just going to the bottom to downvote people.
        or only downvoting and not upvoting a single comment….

        i mean, chuds come in and try to troll and they don’t get downvoted like someone reasonably discussing a couple of points….