A win doesn’t mean shit unless it’s backed up by the promises made, and progress is the result. All winning doesn’t is start the clock.
He’s going to need to prove himself. And if he does. And the democrats don’t notice- we will deal with that then. Right now is not time time to suffer illusions.
The difference is being able to tell from one’s imagination, and one’s capability. It’s the same as how people have come to assume ‘potential’ and ‘actual’ mean the same thing. They’re not, and believing that they are is how we ended up here. Because at a the end of this path, lies the mindset that good is the enemy of perfect.
My point is that we haven’t had good candidates as evidence by their losing. When we actually do have a good candidate that wins we are suddenly the idealists that aren’t practical, as if winning power (in spite of both political establishments) is something other than an act of pragmatism.
And my point is- we don’t know if he’s good. So far he’s said a lot of good things. That’s it. Hopefully he can make it happen, but a big part of the problem we’re having here is there’s an entire group of disillusioned people that think any untested wet-behind-the-ears candidate is our only hope. This is where idealism is being faulted. Because the question to ask is:
At what point is “not Trump” worse than “not a democrat”?
Both are based on an absence of what we dislike, yet neither are based on any amount of things we do.
Those that voted against the fascist did the right thing. They took the best of the worst situation and ran with it without looking back, where if they did- all they’d see is a bunch of disillusioned idealist’s middle finger.
It is silly to think we can’t learn lessons on how Mamdani won because he hasn’t exercised the office yet. This isn’t about how you did that right thing and voted against fascism that one time. This is about winning power, and if that is too idealist for you then I don’t know what else to say other than I’ll see you on the campaign trail.
Know who else thinks it’s all about being elected? MAGA.
And in the bigger picture, it’s wrong. Being elected only gets you out on the field. It doesn’t keep you in the game. And it certainly doesn’t win them for you.
What if he ends up being ineffective and a pushover, what would we have learned from his winning then?
How to deceive people?
He needs to walk the walk now. The talk is over. He campaigned well enough to get elected. Hopefully he can create the change he sees for everyone, and inspires others to follow suit.
But you people are going all-in on someone you have no idea whether or not he can follow through- only because he’s a “not democrat”.
And again, how is this better than a “not trump”? And this is ignoring the fact that we all voted for the “not fascist”.
If a third party candidate worth their word in action stepped up to the plate, I’m sure we’d have voted for them. But unfortunately- all that was offered was a bunch of untested no-experience-in-the-field nobodies that have since disappeared into obscurity. Disagree?
What’s Jill Stein been up to lately? Or what about Cornell West?
They flew in at the eleventh hour to promise the earth, sun, and moon- then disappeared without a trace when they lost- just as they did in 2020, and in 2016. This proves they can’t commit to their own bullshit. And yet, too many people held our democracy hostage over these clowns.
Where are they now?!
Was it worth it? Giving them your votes? They abandoned you. And I’ll be willing to bet anything that they aren’t feeling one degree of the hell that Trump has brought down on us.
So, yeah. You’re accused of being idealists because your behavior illustrates it. It’s easy to buy into shit people tell you. Especially if you ever expect them to follow through. This is why it’s so easy to be an idealist. You never have to be accountable if all you do is blame everyone else for not listening to you.
The rest of us have to do the work in holding them accountable, while shouldering the blame when you all don’t get your way.
It’s funny because I have the same tired feeling of dragging unimaginative people to a better future. But the good news is if you aren’t against us then you are for us. There’s room at the table for you.
A win doesn’t mean shit unless it’s backed up by the promises made, and progress is the result. All winning doesn’t is start the clock.
He’s going to need to prove himself. And if he does. And the democrats don’t notice- we will deal with that then. Right now is not time time to suffer illusions.
As long as we’re paying attention to those who can imagine a different future, then we’re at the same table.
The difference is being able to tell from one’s imagination, and one’s capability. It’s the same as how people have come to assume ‘potential’ and ‘actual’ mean the same thing. They’re not, and believing that they are is how we ended up here. Because at a the end of this path, lies the mindset that good is the enemy of perfect.
My point is that we haven’t had good candidates as evidence by their losing. When we actually do have a good candidate that wins we are suddenly the idealists that aren’t practical, as if winning power (in spite of both political establishments) is something other than an act of pragmatism.
And my point is- we don’t know if he’s good. So far he’s said a lot of good things. That’s it. Hopefully he can make it happen, but a big part of the problem we’re having here is there’s an entire group of disillusioned people that think any untested wet-behind-the-ears candidate is our only hope. This is where idealism is being faulted. Because the question to ask is:
At what point is “not Trump” worse than “not a democrat”?
Both are based on an absence of what we dislike, yet neither are based on any amount of things we do.
Those that voted against the fascist did the right thing. They took the best of the worst situation and ran with it without looking back, where if they did- all they’d see is a bunch of disillusioned idealist’s middle finger.
It is silly to think we can’t learn lessons on how Mamdani won because he hasn’t exercised the office yet. This isn’t about how you did that right thing and voted against fascism that one time. This is about winning power, and if that is too idealist for you then I don’t know what else to say other than I’ll see you on the campaign trail.
He’s a politician let’s see if he actually does anything. You must be young with your blind faith in politicians.
Know who else thinks it’s all about being elected? MAGA.
And in the bigger picture, it’s wrong. Being elected only gets you out on the field. It doesn’t keep you in the game. And it certainly doesn’t win them for you.
What if he ends up being ineffective and a pushover, what would we have learned from his winning then?
How to deceive people?
He needs to walk the walk now. The talk is over. He campaigned well enough to get elected. Hopefully he can create the change he sees for everyone, and inspires others to follow suit.
But you people are going all-in on someone you have no idea whether or not he can follow through- only because he’s a “not democrat”.
And again, how is this better than a “not trump”? And this is ignoring the fact that we all voted for the “not fascist”.
If a third party candidate worth their word in action stepped up to the plate, I’m sure we’d have voted for them. But unfortunately- all that was offered was a bunch of untested no-experience-in-the-field nobodies that have since disappeared into obscurity. Disagree?
What’s Jill Stein been up to lately? Or what about Cornell West?
They flew in at the eleventh hour to promise the earth, sun, and moon- then disappeared without a trace when they lost- just as they did in 2020, and in 2016. This proves they can’t commit to their own bullshit. And yet, too many people held our democracy hostage over these clowns.
Where are they now?!
Was it worth it? Giving them your votes? They abandoned you. And I’ll be willing to bet anything that they aren’t feeling one degree of the hell that Trump has brought down on us.
So, yeah. You’re accused of being idealists because your behavior illustrates it. It’s easy to buy into shit people tell you. Especially if you ever expect them to follow through. This is why it’s so easy to be an idealist. You never have to be accountable if all you do is blame everyone else for not listening to you.
The rest of us have to do the work in holding them accountable, while shouldering the blame when you all don’t get your way.
I’m done discussing this.
It’s funny because I have the same tired feeling of dragging unimaginative people to a better future. But the good news is if you aren’t against us then you are for us. There’s room at the table for you.
No thanks. I’d rather sit at the adults table.