We need to win an election. 2026 is not going to be a blue wave. 2028 IDK even what’s going to happen but if we aren’t running a serious candidate, it’s over. There is no time for “let’s find someone that passes every single group’s tests.” This is time for “getting our shit together.”
Bill Clinton said it right, Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love. Y’all need to stop thinking this a budding romance. It’s not. It’s the business of recapturing middle America’s vote to have enough of a party to DO things like educate voters, which is not happening at all right now, which can then turn into the social change we want. Trying to get out the door with ideologically out-of-touch positions, like letting homeless people encamp anywhere they want, makes middle America turn away from us. It sets us up for failure, and then NO ONE helps the homeless.
If you want to capture middle America’s vote then run progressive candidates with an economic populist platform. That’s not out of touch, it’s a proven strategy. The DNC leadership is more interested in keeping the support of their wealthy donors than in recapturing middle America’s vote. They would rather lose elections than lose their donors.
My own father is quiet about his political views for all that I’ve known him. He is a boomer. He detests Trump, but it did come up in conversation he actually LIKED Kamala’s efforts to shake hands with Liz Cheney and the like. So I at least know the demographic the Democrats attempt to cater to is not non-existent.
There’s growing evidence Democrats do better when they moderate (get closer to average American’s viewpoints) than go extreme progressive (go away from average American’s viewpoints). Again people are turned off by extreme positions. So many people voted for Trump, or didn’t vote for Dems, because they believe we sponsor sex change surgery for minors, or paying for immigrants’ sex changes (I know it’s called gender reassignment surgery, but this is how middle America talks about it).
How the hell is going more progressive, spending more time talking about trans girls playing sports (a wildly unpopular topic), vs going in with a hard-hammered message of economic stability, which is what people keep voting for?
Whenever I hear leftists talking about going more progressive, I wonder if you’ve spent any time wandering around the flyover states, talking to the average farmer or factory worker, because they decide the president, not us. We are out of touch with them, and nothing we are doing is drawing them in - only turning them off.
Here’s a list of progressive policies that the Democratic leadership have made taboo and their approval ratings:
Medicare for All shows majority support in nearly every poll.
55% support raising the federal minimum wage.
An overwhelming majority support ending citizens united.
59% support the green new deal.
79% support raising taxes on the rich.
These numbers vary by single digit percentage points from poll to poll, not enough to change the conclusion - that progressive policy is overwhelmingly popular - which is why it’s so frustrating that you’re defending Democrats shying away from those policies to appeal to a mythical “moderate.” Zohran Mamdani’s campaign shows you don’t have to back down on trans rights to run an economics focused campaign, and it’s the progressive economic policies that are the most popular. When people hear Democrats hem and haw about “economic stability” they hear “we’re not going to change anything about the system that’s fucking you with a rusty tire iron.”
Did they vote for Trump because he was the centrist position? Did pandering towards center work for Kamala? Is “spending more time talking about trans girls playing sports” really what Schmoo meant when he was talking about progressive/left economic populism? People like Zohran seem very popular right now. They aren’t centrist.
most of them are DINOs anyways, they are republicans but would not be electable as an R in modern, unless they switch thier parties after being elected as a D.
The Democrats and DNC are doing everything in their power to NOT win elections though. They refuse to care about candidates like Omar Fateh, Abdul El-Sayed, Graham Platner, and Kat Abughazaleh. Their consultant class time and again wants them to run lukewarm candidates that are backed by AIPAC.
We need real change. Leftist economic populism will be how the Dems & DNC pick up momentum, after which social populism will be a slam dunk.
I don’t agree with the first but totally do the second. The Republican party fell in line and bridge divides across factions for the purpose of winning the government. Dems can’t seem to get past their ideological purity tests. Do you really think classic Republicans like maga? Fuck no they don’t, but they like winning and winning keeps them in power.
You have to win to run a government and shape it how you please. Period.
Please stop doing the DNC’s work for them by amplifying Gavin Newsom. We need real change in this country, not a return to the status quo.
Thank the gods someone realizes this.
Newsom is a solid status quo maintainer with 2 or 3 senior edgelord staff.
You don’t want the guy who praised Kirk and Bannon and who does photo ops removing homeless people from their camps? Picky voter /s
We need to win an election. 2026 is not going to be a blue wave. 2028 IDK even what’s going to happen but if we aren’t running a serious candidate, it’s over. There is no time for “let’s find someone that passes every single group’s tests.” This is time for “getting our shit together.”
Bill Clinton said it right, Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love. Y’all need to stop thinking this a budding romance. It’s not. It’s the business of recapturing middle America’s vote to have enough of a party to DO things like educate voters, which is not happening at all right now, which can then turn into the social change we want. Trying to get out the door with ideologically out-of-touch positions, like letting homeless people encamp anywhere they want, makes middle America turn away from us. It sets us up for failure, and then NO ONE helps the homeless.
If you want to capture middle America’s vote then run progressive candidates with an economic populist platform. That’s not out of touch, it’s a proven strategy. The DNC leadership is more interested in keeping the support of their wealthy donors than in recapturing middle America’s vote. They would rather lose elections than lose their donors.
My own father is quiet about his political views for all that I’ve known him. He is a boomer. He detests Trump, but it did come up in conversation he actually LIKED Kamala’s efforts to shake hands with Liz Cheney and the like. So I at least know the demographic the Democrats attempt to cater to is not non-existent.
There’s growing evidence Democrats do better when they moderate (get closer to average American’s viewpoints) than go extreme progressive (go away from average American’s viewpoints). Again people are turned off by extreme positions. So many people voted for Trump, or didn’t vote for Dems, because they believe we sponsor sex change surgery for minors, or paying for immigrants’ sex changes (I know it’s called gender reassignment surgery, but this is how middle America talks about it).
How the hell is going more progressive, spending more time talking about trans girls playing sports (a wildly unpopular topic), vs going in with a hard-hammered message of economic stability, which is what people keep voting for?
Whenever I hear leftists talking about going more progressive, I wonder if you’ve spent any time wandering around the flyover states, talking to the average farmer or factory worker, because they decide the president, not us. We are out of touch with them, and nothing we are doing is drawing them in - only turning them off.
Here’s a list of progressive policies that the Democratic leadership have made taboo and their approval ratings:
Medicare for All shows majority support in nearly every poll.
55% support raising the federal minimum wage.
An overwhelming majority support ending citizens united.
59% support the green new deal.
79% support raising taxes on the rich.
These numbers vary by single digit percentage points from poll to poll, not enough to change the conclusion - that progressive policy is overwhelmingly popular - which is why it’s so frustrating that you’re defending Democrats shying away from those policies to appeal to a mythical “moderate.” Zohran Mamdani’s campaign shows you don’t have to back down on trans rights to run an economics focused campaign, and it’s the progressive economic policies that are the most popular. When people hear Democrats hem and haw about “economic stability” they hear “we’re not going to change anything about the system that’s fucking you with a rusty tire iron.”
Did they vote for Trump because he was the centrist position? Did pandering towards center work for Kamala? Is “spending more time talking about trans girls playing sports” really what Schmoo meant when he was talking about progressive/left economic populism? People like Zohran seem very popular right now. They aren’t centrist.
most of them are DINOs anyways, they are republicans but would not be electable as an R in modern, unless they switch thier parties after being elected as a D.
The Democrats and DNC are doing everything in their power to NOT win elections though. They refuse to care about candidates like Omar Fateh, Abdul El-Sayed, Graham Platner, and Kat Abughazaleh. Their consultant class time and again wants them to run lukewarm candidates that are backed by AIPAC.
We need real change. Leftist economic populism will be how the Dems & DNC pick up momentum, after which social populism will be a slam dunk.
I don’t agree with the first but totally do the second. The Republican party fell in line and bridge divides across factions for the purpose of winning the government. Dems can’t seem to get past their ideological purity tests. Do you really think classic Republicans like maga? Fuck no they don’t, but they like winning and winning keeps them in power.
You have to win to run a government and shape it how you please. Period.