• Optional@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    If the former, you need to work with us and refusing to do so is a failure of the Democratic party and its base.

    A failure of its base? 70 million people failed? Well goddamn.

    And also bullshit. The choice was fascism or not and a shit ton of likely well-meaning but seriously wrong shitheads decided now was the time for a protest (non) vote.

    We all want better candidates, no shit. But not voting or pissing away one’s vote on a Putin-licker like Jill Stein or a write-in is not just idiocy, it’s unconscionable. And there were a lot of them parading through here last year, deigning to lecture us bourgeoise on our moral failings. So fuck them. They fucked up and they need to know it.

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      What if everyone who voted for Kamala was wrong? What if 70 million people were right and everyone should have just voted for someone else? After all this is a democracy?

      If you can’t tell I’m being purposefully idiotic because your opinion is dumber than shit and I think you deserve to be treated as such.

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      Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.

      It’s absolutely a failure of the base that spends all of their energy blaming the people they need to be working with, and then getting all angry when those people feel too alienated to vote with them.

      Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016 fucked up and they need to know it.

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        Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016 fucked up and they need to know it.

        Im hope im wrong, but i feel now more then ever democrats dont feel the need to listen to anyone but their donors. Because what are you gonna do, vote republican? The Trump stove is bright hot and people are willing to do anything to remove their hand at all costs, even if it means putting the burnt flesh in a pile of shit.

        Literal hostage situation. The costs are sunk, the walls are up. there will be no democracy, just commands from our “betters”. Stop resisting or else yous gets the republicans again

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          You can feel however you want, the fact is one party gets us closer to where we want to be, the other party puts us much farther back from where we want to be and there is no third option.

          It will be the same in a year. The time when we have a chance to stop this insanity. It’d be swell if we could all, y’know, do that.

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        Refusing to hold the Democratic Party accountable is enabling the behavior that leads to those piss-poor candidates.

        Define that.

        blaming the people they need to be working with

        The people who can’t be bothered to defeat a demented rapist with nuclear codes? Wow i can’t wait to do whatever they say. They seem really smart. Clearly the fast track to progress.

        Everyone who still refuses to blame the Democratic Party for 2016

        Because they didn’t vote for themselves? The choice was insanity or a flawed candidate that would get us to the next rung. Propaganda won the day as it does when the fourth estate fails catastrophically.

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          You’re the one who started this whole thing blaming lefties for the current situation. Go edit in an apology for that if you want to keep talking.

          You’re very obviously misinterpreting everything I’m saying on purpose, so I don’t expect you to even understand this comment.

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            24 hours ago

            I blame American lefty non-voters, yes. They fucked up. There will be no apology for that obvious, factual statement.

            Is that too convoluted? You too could piece together some communication so sophisticated, surely.

            I’m not saying there aren’t things to fix in the DNC - far from it. But our present befuckededness was 100% avoidable and a large group of so-called “lefties” chose fascism instead. It’s that simple.

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              No apology. Not that you’d be willing to admit the illegitimacy of 2016’s primaries anyway. “Things to fix” is a very weak description of throwing away democracy and then propagandizing goons like you to blame the disenfranchised for what happened next.

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                Throwing away democracy? Lemming, please.

                You want trump? You got him. It’s dead simple.

                (“Propagandizing goon”? Lol. Whatever.) I blame non-voters. If they are disenfranchised as well then yes. It turns out i blame them. The bare minimum for involvement is to vote. If they’re so scarred by Bernie not winning the West that they can’t participate in the government, they’ll lose that government. And have.

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                  23 hours ago

                  Right, you’re also complicit then. Willingly overlooking authoritarian election tactics and blaming the people wronged instead of the authoritarians. You are far more responsible than the people you blame unprompted.

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                    9 hours ago

                    So the person who actively worked against fascism is the complicit one and the person who did nothing is ‘wronged’.

                    Disagree.