I blame American lefty non-voters, yes. They fucked up. There will be no apology for that obvious, factual statement.
Is that too convoluted? You too could piece together some communication so sophisticated, surely.
I’m not saying there aren’t things to fix in the DNC - far from it. But our present befuckededness was 100% avoidable and a large group of so-called “lefties” chose fascism instead. It’s that simple.
No apology. Not that you’d be willing to admit the illegitimacy of 2016’s primaries anyway. “Things to fix” is a very weak description of throwing away democracy and then propagandizing goons like you to blame the disenfranchised for what happened next.
(“Propagandizing goon”? Lol. Whatever.) I blame non-voters. If they are disenfranchised as well then yes. It turns out i blame them. The bare minimum for involvement is to vote. If they’re so scarred by Bernie not winning the West that they can’t participate in the government, they’ll lose that government. And have.
Right, you’re also complicit then. Willingly overlooking authoritarian election tactics and blaming the people wronged instead of the authoritarians. You are far more responsible than the people you blame unprompted.
You’re vehemently supporting the authoritarianism of the Democratic Party, yes that is indeed worse because that authoritarianism is what’s keeping them an ineffective opposition to fascism. Slowing the slide into fascism by 10% doesn’t mean anything when we end up in fascism anyway. And you’re burning up the time we need to rebuild the Democratic Party to actually be democratic.
I’m not being hyperbolic, I actually do believe that by defending the Democratic Party you are worse for our country in the long run than people who ideologically refused to vote Dem in the general because of their authoritarianism in the primaries. Your path still ends in guaranteed fascism, all you care about is feeling superior in the meantime.
I voted Dem in the primary (after supporting exclusively progressives through donations and voting) because that’s what I believed to be the best solution to the short term problem of Trump. But I also believe that the implicit support of the Democratic Party’s practices by that vote is detrimental to the long term stability of our nation. Both choices (voting Dem despite their authoritarianism in the primaries or abstaining/voting third party) were a mixed bag of good and bad. I chose one, and I have gone on to be a steadfast and vocal critic of the Democratic Party’s practices to work against the implicit endorsement of my vote in the general.
You, instead, have doubled down on endorsing the Democratic Party’s practices by blaming people like me who had that same rock and a hard place vote and went a different direction. Both of those groups are trying to do the best thing for the country in the long term. Your unfounded and unprompted blaming of that group for the actions of the Republicans is absurd and counter-effective. This kind of narrative that you espouse is very much a factor in people who are on that fence not wanting to support a party that will try nothing and blame them anyway. That’s why you are at fault. Every time you post comments like that first one, you are helping the Republicans. And we’re 9 years past you getting to claim you don’t know that. So I blame you specifically for your contribution to the hostile environment on the left that is only helping the fascists.
You know how to know if you’re in the wrong? What would a malicious foreign agent do in order to keep the left weak? They could accomplish that very easily by going online and saying exactly what you do. And before you “no u” me, is anything I’ve said going to dissuade a Democratic voter from voting Democratic? That honor belongs to you.
You’re the one who started this whole thing blaming lefties for the current situation. Go edit in an apology for that if you want to keep talking.
You’re very obviously misinterpreting everything I’m saying on purpose, so I don’t expect you to even understand this comment.
I blame American lefty non-voters, yes. They fucked up. There will be no apology for that obvious, factual statement.
Is that too convoluted? You too could piece together some communication so sophisticated, surely.
I’m not saying there aren’t things to fix in the DNC - far from it. But our present befuckededness was 100% avoidable and a large group of so-called “lefties” chose fascism instead. It’s that simple.
No apology. Not that you’d be willing to admit the illegitimacy of 2016’s primaries anyway. “Things to fix” is a very weak description of throwing away democracy and then propagandizing goons like you to blame the disenfranchised for what happened next.
Throwing away democracy? Lemming, please.
You want trump? You got him. It’s dead simple.
(“Propagandizing goon”? Lol. Whatever.) I blame non-voters. If they are disenfranchised as well then yes. It turns out i blame them. The bare minimum for involvement is to vote. If they’re so scarred by Bernie not winning the West that they can’t participate in the government, they’ll lose that government. And have.
Right, you’re also complicit then. Willingly overlooking authoritarian election tactics and blaming the people wronged instead of the authoritarians. You are far more responsible than the people you blame unprompted.
So the person who actively worked against fascism is the complicit one and the person who did nothing is ‘wronged’.
Disagree.
You’re vehemently supporting the authoritarianism of the Democratic Party, yes that is indeed worse because that authoritarianism is what’s keeping them an ineffective opposition to fascism. Slowing the slide into fascism by 10% doesn’t mean anything when we end up in fascism anyway. And you’re burning up the time we need to rebuild the Democratic Party to actually be democratic.
I’m not being hyperbolic, I actually do believe that by defending the Democratic Party you are worse for our country in the long run than people who ideologically refused to vote Dem in the general because of their authoritarianism in the primaries. Your path still ends in guaranteed fascism, all you care about is feeling superior in the meantime.
Well I’m impressed you managed to be wrong about every single thing and still be dedicated to the premise.
So, I presume in the absence of a national third party you’ll be allowing the republicans to walk away with it again?
I voted Dem in the primary (after supporting exclusively progressives through donations and voting) because that’s what I believed to be the best solution to the short term problem of Trump. But I also believe that the implicit support of the Democratic Party’s practices by that vote is detrimental to the long term stability of our nation. Both choices (voting Dem despite their authoritarianism in the primaries or abstaining/voting third party) were a mixed bag of good and bad. I chose one, and I have gone on to be a steadfast and vocal critic of the Democratic Party’s practices to work against the implicit endorsement of my vote in the general.
You, instead, have doubled down on endorsing the Democratic Party’s practices by blaming people like me who had that same rock and a hard place vote and went a different direction. Both of those groups are trying to do the best thing for the country in the long term. Your unfounded and unprompted blaming of that group for the actions of the Republicans is absurd and counter-effective. This kind of narrative that you espouse is very much a factor in people who are on that fence not wanting to support a party that will try nothing and blame them anyway. That’s why you are at fault. Every time you post comments like that first one, you are helping the Republicans. And we’re 9 years past you getting to claim you don’t know that. So I blame you specifically for your contribution to the hostile environment on the left that is only helping the fascists.
You know how to know if you’re in the wrong? What would a malicious foreign agent do in order to keep the left weak? They could accomplish that very easily by going online and saying exactly what you do. And before you “no u” me, is anything I’ve said going to dissuade a Democratic voter from voting Democratic? That honor belongs to you.