Since Trump’s election, gun groups catering to progressives and people of color report a surge in interest as they look to defend themselves in a country that, to them, feels increasingly unstable.

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    1 day ago

    Then you have to remember that every force of violence in the US, LEOs, all branches of military, all support trump.

    So, what kind of gun can I buy that will let me defend myself from a tyrannical reaper drone?

    Or maybe planning to fight your enemy where he is strongest is fucking dumb?

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      18 hours ago

      If the full force of the FBI, military, and local law enforcement turns against the citizenry the citizenry is cooked.

      Hopefully our fellow citizens will balk at killing their neighbors, but if they don’t, shotguns and handguns are only useful to increase the cost of enforcement on the gestapo.

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        16 hours ago

        They didn’t balk when their neighbors were being rounded up by the new gestapo and shipped off to extra-national slave prison camps.

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      23 hours ago

      A gun does not defend you from a drone. It defends you from other people who are emboldened to commit crimes against you.

      The point later in the comment is about what happens if the government fully turns in the citizens. Protecting yourself is midway to that.

      You basically can’t let it get that far or you’re just cooked.

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        22 hours ago

        It defends you from other people who are emboldened to commit crimes against you.

        No, it doesn’t defend you. At best, it will give you a chance to shoot back. Statistically speaking, the person you are most likely to use a gun on is yourself, second most likely victim of your gun is your spouse.

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          17 hours ago

          That’s nice, but those statistics are from a different time with a different threat profile.

          We are long done with pretending we’re living in a reasonable society.

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            16 hours ago

            Actually, about 27,000 people in the US committed suicide by gun last year, compared to 16,000 non-suicide gun deaths, and apparently the gun suicide to gun deaths ratio actually went up from 2023.

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              Did you not at all read my comment?

              I knew the stats before you mentioned them, I’m pointing out there are clear differences to society right now that make this data far less relevant.

              Your actually implies you’re arguing against an argument I’ve made but you aren’t at all.

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                15 hours ago

                Ah, so you think (without any evidence) that the trend suddenly and drastically reversed itself in the last 10 months and no one bothered to report on it?

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                  9 hours ago

                  You are seemingly purposefully misconstruing my argument and that is annoying.

                  Clearly the point is a new danger exists, why you keep insisting on the strawman argument against the position that gun stats arent real, something I’ve never indicated, I do not know.

                  I can only think its in bad faith because you don’t have arguments against the actual opinions I’ve shared.

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                    7 hours ago

                    Can you point to any statistics for this new danger. Specifically, can you point to any metrics which show that a firearm is more likely to be used defensively than it is to be used on yourself or your spouse? I do believe that was exactly what you meant when you said…

                    That’s nice, but those statistics are from a different time with a different threat profile.

                    If that is not what you meant, then you need to clarify that statement. I haven’t built a strawman, I pointed out that the current trend for suicidal gun use is increasing, and without any evidence showing a dramatic change in the ratio of self-inflicted firearm deaths to all other firearm deaths, then it is clear that your position is incorrect, and you are moving goalposts in order to avoid admitting that your position is incorrect despite the publicly available data.