If I were on a boat with Hitler, Mao, and Stalin, and a gun with two bullets, I’d shoot Hitler seven times and highfive Mao & Stalin as we sail together into luxury gay space Communism, the end.

You’re saying “OK but maybe no one should kill anyone?” on a post featuring literal Hitler?

Are you joking?

“Killing is bad!”, I yell, while two SS guards put me on a train heading to the nearest Nazi concentration camp.

You really need to interrogate your ethical beliefs a bit further.

Like you’ve been indoctrinated into a tangled framework of refusing to see the violence of the status quo - the violence that provides the empire with its wealth, the violence that preserves the sanctity of property and private fiefs, the violence that deprives the public of their survival needs, the violence that subjugates and marginalizes everyone who doesn’t fit into the ruling class’s machine, the violence that quickly crushes anyone who dares challenge this inequitable and monstrous system - as violence while simultaneously condemning everything that goes against it as violence. You’ve got the Hollywood movie morality system where the hero’s moral triumph is in refusing to enact vengeance, in refusing to permanently end the threat the villain poses (which may be conveniently resolved as the narrative contrives to see the villain simply die by happenstance, the hero’s goal accomplished but his hands unstained), and the villain’s moral failing is in breaking from prescribed methods of the status quo to accomplish some goal (especially when it sets up the villain as someone with a righteous cause or legitimate grievance who’s just “going too far” which then requires the swerve to make sure the audience starts rooting against them).

Unfortunately for us all, the entities with the vast majority of weapons and power are (and have been) doing everything they can to inflict violence upon the most desperate and vulnerable people in society. The people carrying out these actions cause very real harm, both in the forms of massively oppressive social violence and also outright physical violence. There is a very serious difference between the man who attempts to exploit and murder other human beings for his own gain and satisfaction - in this case, literally Adolf Hitler - and the people who use violence to overthrow that ruling ideology of unceasing human suffering.

In other words, it should be obvious now more than ever that we don’t live in a perfectly neutral world where the people who have all the guns are 100% neutral arbiters of peace, as much as I wish that were the case, and the people who are inflicting harm always have and always will use as much force as possible to continue their machinations of suffering and death. That being the case, the solution to the problem unfortunately necessitates something more impactful than “Killing is bad, don’t do it!”

Tell this to our enemies, they’re all mass murderers

I can appreciate the idealism, but this is regrettably not a valid stance, at least for the foreseeable future. You may find value in a book like Peter Gelderloos’ The Failure of Nonviolence(that’s a free full-text link)

By what logic should we follow this guideline and what credentials do you have to make the argument?

bad bit

oppa gangnam style

lol that rules. I’m glad he was given the chance to be incredibly stupid online.

This exchange may be worse, or just a sign they are always the contrarian

https://lemmy.ca/comment/19271543

why care about things in the past like slavery or how Canada treated kids in the indigenous schools

Just browsed through a few posts really quick. They’ve got some serious anti-china brainworms, and really zero understanding of any socialist theory.

Ooh, I think I remember this one (although they do kind of just blend together lol)

No seriously, let’s see where this one goes. It’ll be funny.

There werent a lot of black people in germany itself, they did sterilize biracial germans, and most others simply died in basically „unorganized“ murder sprees, so nazi citizens took upon themselves to „get rid“ of non-whites knowing that the state wont persecute them.

Given how racialized communism/socialism was yeah they actually should be listed as part of genocide. Leftists were seen as viruses which pollute the nation’s ethnic body with their existence alone and twisted its victims into „jewishness“. In American fascist discourse (white) leftists are also racialized to an extent as they become „vessels“ for foreign/subhuman agents to destroy white america.

OK so killing Nazi children and their parents is self-defense?

You realize many people in these social movements do not have the freedom to identify as anything they want?

You have to draw the line when it comes to murder, on all sides, if you care about human life.

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murder is not defense

they exist in theory to prevent murder.

I’m saying not to murder people who are alive, I’m not talking about people who died decades ago.

They’re more upset over this than slavery 🙃

I’m saying no human should murder any human.

If you consider these groups to be human, as I do, then yes I am standing up for them, specifically becaise they are human, and they should not be murdered.

assuming how people think and identify is not a justification for murder

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no.