- According to wikipedia, Saab has produced 280 jets in 30 years. A single order in the magnitude of 100+ jets is absolutely massive. - The fact that they say the facility will increase to be able to produce 20-30 jets a year in a couple years means to me it’ll be what, 8 years before they have an order of 100. Thats a long time when you’re already at war - Also a lot of time to prepare to sabotage it, for Russia. 😐 
- Sweden have a bunch of C/D planes they can part with already / upgrade to E/F and part with. 
 
 
- Also massive L as in Lockheed Martin lol - Seriously good that this will help bring independence from US. - Seriously good that this will help bring independence from US. - I think the Gripen is a good fit for Ukraine, but for true independence from the US, we have to find a European engine for it. The US used the American engine of it before to exert pressure. - Kind of ironic that a SAAB plane doesn’t have its own SAAB engine - Even ‘worse’: - Following the typical Swedish approach of ‘everybody gets a piece’, the engine of the SAAB came from Volvo…! ;) - That engine was based on an American though and the new one of the modern variants is afaik directly American. - It’s an American design, but it’s built and modified in Sweden. - The original RM12 of the early versions, yea. Although I don’t know whether the US also have any leverage over that product since it is a derivative of the GE F404. For the new Gripen versions, SAAB unfortunately uses the GE F414 directly. - TIL. Thanks. 
 
 
 
- Volvo made aircraft engines for SAAB at one point. It makes sense when you account for the size of Sweden and the complexity of an aircraft that it’s a big challenge for one business or nation to build alone. - Volvo is a Chinese company now. - Volvo Group is a Swedish company. And as fas as I know, a plurality of voting shares are still owned by Swedish companies. Geely does have a sizable stake, though. (14.7% of voting shares.) - Volvo Cars is a wholly owned subsidiary of Geely, and is 100% a Chinese company. 
 
 
 
- The US used the American engine of it before to exert pressure. - Maybe we should start fucking with the F-35 in turn. - Maybe we shouldn’t use the F-35 at all. They should learn the lesson that being unreliable is quite bad for business. 
 
- We do have rolls royce of course… They should be able to cook something up. And CFM is half French. - We have the Eurojet EJ200, a European development for the Eurofighter Typhoon. Maybe one of them could be a domestic replacement for the new Gripen versions. 
- Safran Aircraft Engines (the French part of the CFM consortium) knows how to design and manufacture fighter jet engines. - They are doing the M88 that powers the Rafale. 
 
- Good thing Germany orders F35 from US again instead of supporting an european solution! - Only a small subfleet to carry the nuclear weapons, the main fighter jet will be a European / international non American one. 
 
 
 
- Im super uninformed about military equipment, but from what ive seen, everyone that has used Gripen jets seems to fucking love them. 
- If this is true then it’s amazing! 





