• Deceptichum@quokk.au
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    11 hours ago

    Right, because it was fine when it was the home of slave owners, rapists, racists, genociders, imperialists, war criminals?

    Americans need to learn their own history better.

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      The pages of mankind’s history are written in blood by the victors. Provide us with one example of a sovereign nation that does not have a violent, oppressive history.

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      Given that he is now making his gestapo work without pay, I think Trump now essentially falls into every one of those categories.

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      That’s not what it represents to any actual Americans. Yes shitty people moved through its halls, but so did national and international heroes. Reducing it as you have done isn’t going to do shit but annoy people.

      Based on the .au instance I’d assume you’re from Australia, it’d be mighty silly to throw stones while living in a glass house.

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        That’s not what it represents to any actual Americans.

        North or South? or the people in the middle that stole that for themselves?

        I think it represents their values quite well.

        Burn it to the ground.

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        Of course, because why would it represent reality to Americans when it can represent a mass delusion.

        Every US president is a war criminal to some degree, they are not heroes.

        And really? You think because my own country is shit that I can’t point out others issues? What a weak arse attempt at whataboutism.

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          Sometimes it feels like every time an American laments the shitty state of our country someone has to come along to remind us that it has always been shitty to make us feel worse.

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            Because you’re not, you’re lamenting the shitty state of Trump. If he was gone or not here, you would not be here commenting on the shitty state of your country at all.

            And how about instead of feeling bad about your history, you learn from it, recognise it’s an issue that goes far beyond Trump and fight to ensure it never repeats itself?

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              You do understand that there are massive protests going on around the country right now? Telling a single person you don’t know that they should fight to fix their country does nothing, we already know the country is fucked.

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                And do you blame Trump for fucking your country or do you accept your country was fucked before Trump and will remain fucked after Trump?

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          Lol it’s not whataboutism, it’s pointing out the hypocrisy of your statement. I didn’t attempt to downplay the US’ checkered past or even say what in particular I was referencing, just making an observation that our countries have both done fucking awful things.

          Don’t bother responding, I won’t read your reply.

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      Almost like this narrative is a way to salvage US imperialism in light of the undeniable immorality of its current leader.