Did you forget that the industrial revolution happened or something? How the fuck is anybody gonna make a living if they can’t live near where all the workplaces are???
And jobs by necessity also exist outside cities. Do you think everyone just drives to the nearest city for their Dr, for groceries, for food? Come on now.
Perfect, you’ve now successfully created a car-dependent society. Deaths by auto accident have skyrocketed, your people are constantly road-raging for some unforeseen reason, and your air quality sucks. But muh freedumbs.
And? I just described the current situation. I made no comments on whether it’s good, bad, etc. Person asked, I answered.
Acting like there isn’t a solution is stupid. The solution has a bunch of problems, but so does starving to death. I wish we had better options, but you can’t enact change on a system until you’ve secured your own survival.
The solution you mention includes millions starving to death.
And so would my personal choice to not drive. I’m not going to be able to change the culture all on my own, and even if I were to influence this entire comment section to somehow go carless for a year it would be undone by a few private jet flights. Maybe go after events like the World Economic Forum instead of trying to push middle class people through guilt.
I’ve done years of public transit, biking, and walking to get to/from jobs, classes, groceries, etc. It’s not something I can continue at the moment in my current situation. Even if it was, I’m not going to pretend that society is constructed in a way that makes it a reasonable option for most people. Or that it’s their personal responsibility to do whatever they can to make it reasonable for them.
The basic fact is that in many places, a car is required to get from where you are to where you need to go. It’s rapidly changing for the better with wider availability of things like ebikes, and the goal should be high density mixed use with everything closely available through public transit, but that’s not an option for wide swaths of the population. I’m also not going to go down the path of trying to somehow blame people for where they may have to live for any number of reasons that I’m not privy to.
Regardless, I was just answering a flippantly asked question in a meme community about how someone was expected to get to where the jobs are (while they also were implying that jobs are only in cities).
My answer is valid, regardless of your feelings on the surrounding issues of car centric culture and the horrendous impacts on the world.
And jobs exist outside the cities. Might not be what you want to do for work, but suburbs and towns need local services, and those local services need people to work them. Again, that’s true currently regardless of what the best end state would be.
I wasn’t trying to open some grand discussion on the state of the world, I was just providing the straightforward answer to a question.
There’s plenty of places in lemmy that are wonderful for discussions about the problems of car culture, the terror that is our environment and the multiple lines before catastrophic runaway collapse we have zoomed by, places for discussions about rewilding spaces, for growing your own food, etc.
But this is a meme community. Dude asked a question in a flippant way, he got a flippant answer. It’s not complicated or deep.
Some people can, but if you tried to get a majority of the population to it’d be a disaster. You’d run out of jobs, have roads taking up a ridiculous amount of space, crippling traffic, social isolation from being unable to see others easily (already a thing in suburban and rural areas), and ecological disaster.
I think you overestimate the population of cities outside of the major ones like NYC, and the issues of less developed areas. Yeah, it’s not as efficient as cities and is ultimately killing our planet. High density housing and public transit is absolutely the best way forward. But in order for me to work towards good, I need to survive in the reality that currently exists.
All I was saying was that it’s not impossible to find a job and survive outside a city.
I’ve probably got some neurospicy shit causing it (diagnosed with ADHD, “soft” diagnosed with high functioning autism spectrum something from when I lived with a retired diagnostician for a few months, but nothing truly official): I have issues when people act like something they don’t want to do is just impossible. You refuse to do it on principal, or for other reasons, fine. But don’t say somthing so ridiculously false.
I mean they kind of do, the current world population is about 8 billion people and the land area of earth is about 150 billion square meters. If everyone lived on their own land, ignoring that some land is uninhabitable, that would mean only about 19 square meters of space per person. And keep in mind that is leaving no room for public spaces, businesses, roads, railroads, etc
no one needs to live in cities
“people don’t need to live where the things are”
God people like your are so fucking stupid and incorrigibly proud of it.
mines, salmon, moose are all important and not found in cities
God it’s so depressing knowing that people like you vote and make decisions that effect others.
I don’t live in an overpopulated megacity
Did you forget that the industrial revolution happened or something? How the fuck is anybody gonna make a living if they can’t live near where all the workplaces are???
Car.
And jobs by necessity also exist outside cities. Do you think everyone just drives to the nearest city for their Dr, for groceries, for food? Come on now.
Lol saying come on now like a you made a good point
Perfect, you’ve now successfully created a car-dependent society. Deaths by auto accident have skyrocketed, your people are constantly road-raging for some unforeseen reason, and your air quality sucks. But muh freedumbs.
And? I just described the current situation. I made no comments on whether it’s good, bad, etc. Person asked, I answered.
Acting like there isn’t a solution is stupid. The solution has a bunch of problems, but so does starving to death. I wish we had better options, but you can’t enact change on a system until you’ve secured your own survival.
The solution you mention includes millions starving to death.
Owning a car does not secure your survival, quite the opposite effect in most cases actually.
And so would my personal choice to not drive. I’m not going to be able to change the culture all on my own, and even if I were to influence this entire comment section to somehow go carless for a year it would be undone by a few private jet flights. Maybe go after events like the World Economic Forum instead of trying to push middle class people through guilt.
I’ve done years of public transit, biking, and walking to get to/from jobs, classes, groceries, etc. It’s not something I can continue at the moment in my current situation. Even if it was, I’m not going to pretend that society is constructed in a way that makes it a reasonable option for most people. Or that it’s their personal responsibility to do whatever they can to make it reasonable for them.
The basic fact is that in many places, a car is required to get from where you are to where you need to go. It’s rapidly changing for the better with wider availability of things like ebikes, and the goal should be high density mixed use with everything closely available through public transit, but that’s not an option for wide swaths of the population. I’m also not going to go down the path of trying to somehow blame people for where they may have to live for any number of reasons that I’m not privy to.
Regardless, I was just answering a flippantly asked question in a meme community about how someone was expected to get to where the jobs are (while they also were implying that jobs are only in cities).
My answer is valid, regardless of your feelings on the surrounding issues of car centric culture and the horrendous impacts on the world.
And jobs exist outside the cities. Might not be what you want to do for work, but suburbs and towns need local services, and those local services need people to work them. Again, that’s true currently regardless of what the best end state would be.
I wasn’t trying to open some grand discussion on the state of the world, I was just providing the straightforward answer to a question.
There’s plenty of places in lemmy that are wonderful for discussions about the problems of car culture, the terror that is our environment and the multiple lines before catastrophic runaway collapse we have zoomed by, places for discussions about rewilding spaces, for growing your own food, etc.
But this is a meme community. Dude asked a question in a flippant way, he got a flippant answer. It’s not complicated or deep.
We just start the nuclear wars, and may the odds be ever in your favor.
Really, I don’t see another solution that does not include AI taking over, and colonizing other planets.
Are you just trying to get people to read The Lords of the Middle Dark?
I don’t have any idea what that even is man.
Some people can, but if you tried to get a majority of the population to it’d be a disaster. You’d run out of jobs, have roads taking up a ridiculous amount of space, crippling traffic, social isolation from being unable to see others easily (already a thing in suburban and rural areas), and ecological disaster.
Most people have to live in cities.
I think you overestimate the population of cities outside of the major ones like NYC, and the issues of less developed areas. Yeah, it’s not as efficient as cities and is ultimately killing our planet. High density housing and public transit is absolutely the best way forward. But in order for me to work towards good, I need to survive in the reality that currently exists.
All I was saying was that it’s not impossible to find a job and survive outside a city.
I’ve probably got some neurospicy shit causing it (diagnosed with ADHD, “soft” diagnosed with high functioning autism spectrum something from when I lived with a retired diagnostician for a few months, but nothing truly official): I have issues when people act like something they don’t want to do is just impossible. You refuse to do it on principal, or for other reasons, fine. But don’t say somthing so ridiculously false.
I mean they kind of do, the current world population is about 8 billion people and the land area of earth is about 150 billion square meters. If everyone lived on their own land, ignoring that some land is uninhabitable, that would mean only about 19 square meters of space per person. And keep in mind that is leaving no room for public spaces, businesses, roads, railroads, etc