The headlines over the past few weeks have been unrelenting. The Trump administration is activating the full power of the federal government against perceived enemies, from liberal groups to elections officials to a former FBI director.Meanwhile, autocratic powers like China and Russia are running i...
  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    5 hours ago

    And here we go, a disagreement over policy balloons instantly into “racism and xenophobia”

    Oh, so you’re saying you personally don’t like DEI policies. In that case I’m not necessarily calling you racist and xenophobic, but your seeming willingness to accept the results of past racism and xenophobia is definitely concerning. If I was running the meeting you wouldn’t get kicked out, but your “can we not include DEI in our platform” would be met with an uncompromising “no.” Before I explain why, do you understand the concepts of systemic racism and generational wealth?

    but I think they’ve been implemented poorly and often turn into discrimination in their own right.

    You need such “discrimination” to undo the results of past discrimination. For example, did you know that despite being only ~0.7% of the population, Native Americans make up about 24% of the poverty population of the US? Is this not injustice? How do you rectify it without affirmative action (aka DEI)?

    • FaceDeer@fedia.io
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      4 hours ago

      You’re really, really intent on driving my point home here, aren’t you?

      I oppose Trump. I think he’s the worst president the US has ever had and he needs to be stopped. But I expressed an unrelated view that is mildly in opposition to yours, and now that’s the only thing you can think about. You’re focusing entirely on attacking me on this issue.

      Have you forgotten that this is about Trump, and about how the only way to defeat him is to get over these sorts of divisions and diversions?

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        11·
        4 hours ago

        Have you forgotten that this is about Trump,

        To you this is about Trump. To others it’s about the injustice they have suffered their whole lives that got worse under Trump but did not originate with him. Being able to laser-focus on Trump is a privilege; it assumes that the politically relevant parts of your experience before Trump were if not good then at least tolerable. This is not the case for a massive chunk of the population. I mean, hell, for example ICE kidnappings are nothing new; Trump is just performatively cruel about them. You can’t take a stand against some injustice and expect the people experiencing the chunk you’re letting go to help you. As a wise man once said:

        First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

        Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

        Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

        Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

        Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

        • FaceDeer@fedia.io
          1·
          4 hours ago

          Yes, we get it, you don’t want any allies in your fight against Trump that aren’t perfectly aligned with every part of your fight against Trump. You don’t need to keep on driving it home now, you’ve amply demonstrated why Democrats just can’t seem to get it together to oppose him.

            • FaceDeer@fedia.io
              1·
              4 hours ago

              Yes, the party that is literally the only party that can possibly remove Trump due to America’s two-party system. That party.

              You don’t support them removing Trump? Then you’re fine with Trump. That’s the reality of the situation, and your insistence that only some magical fairyland third party that happens to align perfectly with your ideals must be allowed to do it is - as I have repeatedly said - exactly the problem that this thread is about.

              You really can stop illustrating it now, we all get it.