Yes, I’m such a PaTriOt that I am deeply ashamed of most of the things the US does. But hey, at least I’m not so shallow that I think cool red logos justify disgusting and brutal authoritarianism under a different name.
Nah, mate, that was you. You kept arguing for letting trump win. Genocide max over any other outcome for you, shouting at anyone who tried to get in the way.
Dems have been and continue to be enthusiastic supporters of Israel, liberals are comfortable trading the lives of innocent Palestinians to keep themselves safe and comfortable
liberals are comfortable trading the lives of innocent Palestinians to keep themselves safe and comfortable
I didn’t come across any. I heard the accusation here hundreds of times, but I didn’t come across any actual dems or liberals on here defending Israel, AT ALL. Just a bunch of fake “left” wingers shouting about it, trying to get trump elected to own the libs.
What’s the difference between a tankie and a magat? A tankie lies to themselves about politics whereas a magat just lies to everyone else.
You think that you’re auth left, but you’re just auth.
Lol ok, so first of all just because you claim you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening dumbass, weak response and you know it. Secondly even if you’re ot directly defending Israel you’re still making excuses for your party defending funding and arming Israel and taking millions of dollars of AIPAC money. Maintaining a semblance of plausible deniability while still directly materially contributing to genocide isn’t better, and neither are you. Liberals are not left of anything, just conservatives who care slightly more about appearances. You’re a lying sack of shit and your hands are covered in blood. You deserve Trump and worse.
Lol ok, so first of all just because you claim you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening dumbass, weak response and you know it.
Link it. Find me lemmy users saying “Vote dem because Israel needs our support”.
All I saw was “yeah Biden is crap but trump would be so much worse” and then the same for Harris. The only people on lemmy who believed that voting for Harris was supporting israel were advocating against voting for Harris. Seriously, do you not even remember? Username checking out again.
making excuses for your party
Not my party, matey.
Liberals are not left of anything
Objectively false. American liberals are centrists who are left of Republicans.
You’re a lying sack of shit and your hands are covered in blood.
I’m not, and I’m not the one who argued for genocide max. That was the NeverHarris brigade, which you are surely in.
You deserve Trump and worse.
Says the person who argued for the outcome we have.
I never said anything about it happening specifically on Lemmy dumbass, try harder.
If it’s not your party and you’re not making excuses for it then it should be pretty easy for you to admit that the dems contiuing suppport for Israel was politically suicidal and stupid, but we both know you’ll just make more excuses. There is no centrist position on fucking genocide, you either oppose it or you support it and dems did fuck all to oppose it while happily taking millions in AIPAC money, AIPAC doesn’t give money to people who don’t support Israel. Like I said, you’re a lying sack of shit with blood on your hands and you know it.
I never said anything about it happening specifically on Lemmy dumbass, try harder
I did, all the time, and you were too busy arguing with everything I said and calling me names to notice what I actually said.
Your bravado vanished pretty quick there.
Harris spoke out against israel a couple of times, but muddied the waters with a bunch of supportive talk to, but that was a truckload better than the republicans who were taking photoshoots next to israeli bombs that they had signed “finish them” and trump, as sane people warned you he would, went for genocide max and concreting over the mass graves theme park policy. Dems are centrists, and right of centre at that. What did you expect?
You never asked until now, you were too busy shouting, accusing and calling me names to do any listening.
But again, for the sake of all that is rational and sensible in the world, admit that the dems aren’t as bad as the republicunts, with their insane anti trans military rule locking up hispanics without trial and fucking up what little healthcare there is in corporate hellhole america.
Like I said, you’re a lying sack of shit with blood on your hands and you know it.
I haven’t lied to you even once today. You’re just not prepared to hear anything that doesn’t fit your narrow perspective.
I fail to see your logic about the blood on my hands. You, however, worked for genocide max trump during the election. Let’s hear it. Where do you think I’m guilty of killing?
You were one of the stop Harris at all costs people, i.e. trump for president. You love to pretend to be left wing, but everything you did in the election cycle was to support trump.
You were one of the stop Harris at all costs people, i.e. trump for president.
I wanted her to drop support for genocide, in part because I thought it was a losing issue, but mostly because it’s unconscionable.
Democrats should have listened to the left. It would have energized the base. Instead they listened to consultants and tried to appeal to republicans. We saw how that turned out.
You argued so strongly against her being elected and yet somehow trump isn’t your fault AT ALL in your mind. You spent so much time and effort trying to stop her being elected and then somehow anything or anyone that said “vote harris” is culpable for the opposite outcome. So backwards. I don’t know how you ever reconciled the obvious contradiction. True doublethink.
Trump would thank you if he had any some sense of gratitude or loyalty or gave even a tiny bit of shit about people who are giving him large amounts of money.
Harris could have chosen to oppose Israel any time she wanted, she didn’t and she lost. You and your party are completely morally bankrupt and refuse to take responsibility for your actions. You deserve Trump and worse.
Your shame is as worthless as your political action lol, authoritarianism is a thought-terminating buzzword employed by spineless liberals too terrified of the idea of wielding power for good to actually do anything to help
Lol thank you for directly confirming my assertion, all thought terminated because of the phrase! And then you made some shit up that I never came close to saying in order to justify blocking me, but we both know your real motive is to tuck tail and run from an argument you just lost embarassingly.
I agree, you are like a petulant toddler unwilling to accept reality because it hurts your feelings. Also didn’t you say you were going to block me? Not that I’m complaining, you might be a fucking moron but you’re more entertaining than my clients and I can easily keep doing this and taking calls all day lol
No, you’re confusing me with someone you were arguing with rather than someone commenting on your debating technique.
Did you think that swearing at me, calling me names and all the anger convinced me I was wrong to suggest that your debating lacked maturity and finesse?
You and every other liberal are interchangeable, you’re all equally selfish, morally bankrupt, disingenuous, spineless. You won’t be convinced of anything because you don’t give a shit what the truth is, the only thing that matters to you shitbags is brunch
Yes, I’m such a PaTriOt that I am deeply ashamed of most of the things the US does. But hey, at least I’m not so shallow that I think cool red logos justify disgusting and brutal authoritarianism under a different name.
You spent all of 2024 screaming abuse at people who opposed genocide.
Nah, mate, that was you. You kept arguing for letting trump win. Genocide max over any other outcome for you, shouting at anyone who tried to get in the way.
Dems have been and continue to be enthusiastic supporters of Israel, liberals are comfortable trading the lives of innocent Palestinians to keep themselves safe and comfortable
I didn’t come across any. I heard the accusation here hundreds of times, but I didn’t come across any actual dems or liberals on here defending Israel, AT ALL. Just a bunch of fake “left” wingers shouting about it, trying to get trump elected to own the libs.
What’s the difference between a tankie and a magat? A tankie lies to themselves about politics whereas a magat just lies to everyone else.
You think that you’re auth left, but you’re just auth.
Lol ok, so first of all just because you claim you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening dumbass, weak response and you know it. Secondly even if you’re ot directly defending Israel you’re still making excuses for your party defending funding and arming Israel and taking millions of dollars of AIPAC money. Maintaining a semblance of plausible deniability while still directly materially contributing to genocide isn’t better, and neither are you. Liberals are not left of anything, just conservatives who care slightly more about appearances. You’re a lying sack of shit and your hands are covered in blood. You deserve Trump and worse.
Link it. Find me lemmy users saying “Vote dem because Israel needs our support”.
All I saw was “yeah Biden is crap but trump would be so much worse” and then the same for Harris. The only people on lemmy who believed that voting for Harris was supporting israel were advocating against voting for Harris. Seriously, do you not even remember? Username checking out again.
Not my party, matey.
Objectively false. American liberals are centrists who are left of Republicans.
I’m not, and I’m not the one who argued for genocide max. That was the NeverHarris brigade, which you are surely in.
Says the person who argued for the outcome we have.
I never said anything about it happening specifically on Lemmy dumbass, try harder. If it’s not your party and you’re not making excuses for it then it should be pretty easy for you to admit that the dems contiuing suppport for Israel was politically suicidal and stupid, but we both know you’ll just make more excuses. There is no centrist position on fucking genocide, you either oppose it or you support it and dems did fuck all to oppose it while happily taking millions in AIPAC money, AIPAC doesn’t give money to people who don’t support Israel. Like I said, you’re a lying sack of shit with blood on your hands and you know it.
I did, all the time, and you were too busy arguing with everything I said and calling me names to notice what I actually said.
Your bravado vanished pretty quick there.
Harris spoke out against israel a couple of times, but muddied the waters with a bunch of supportive talk to, but that was a truckload better than the republicans who were taking photoshoots next to israeli bombs that they had signed “finish them” and trump, as sane people warned you he would, went for genocide max and concreting over the mass graves theme park policy. Dems are centrists, and right of centre at that. What did you expect?
You never asked until now, you were too busy shouting, accusing and calling me names to do any listening.
But again, for the sake of all that is rational and sensible in the world, admit that the dems aren’t as bad as the republicunts, with their insane anti trans military rule locking up hispanics without trial and fucking up what little healthcare there is in corporate hellhole america.
I haven’t lied to you even once today. You’re just not prepared to hear anything that doesn’t fit your narrow perspective.
I fail to see your logic about the blood on my hands. You, however, worked for genocide max trump during the election. Let’s hear it. Where do you think I’m guilty of killing?
That’s what genocide supporters kept calling any and all opposition to genocide.
You were one of the stop Harris at all costs people, i.e. trump for president. You love to pretend to be left wing, but everything you did in the election cycle was to support trump.
I wanted her to drop support for genocide, in part because I thought it was a losing issue, but mostly because it’s unconscionable.
Democrats should have listened to the left. It would have energized the base. Instead they listened to consultants and tried to appeal to republicans. We saw how that turned out.
You argued so strongly against her being elected and yet somehow trump isn’t your fault AT ALL in your mind. You spent so much time and effort trying to stop her being elected and then somehow anything or anyone that said “vote harris” is culpable for the opposite outcome. So backwards. I don’t know how you ever reconciled the obvious contradiction. True doublethink.
Trump would thank you if he had any some sense of gratitude or loyalty or gave even a tiny bit of shit about people who are giving him large amounts of money.
Harris could have chosen to oppose Israel any time she wanted, she didn’t and she lost. You and your party are completely morally bankrupt and refuse to take responsibility for your actions. You deserve Trump and worse.
Ah yes, the good old harris means trump logic. So sound.
She made her choice, she’s complicit in genocide. You made your choice the same way, own it. Quit lying, quit making excuses.
Trump has turned out SO GOOD for the people of Gaza, hasn’t he. You must be so pleased. Username checks out.
Your shame is as worthless as your political action lol, authoritarianism is a thought-terminating buzzword employed by spineless liberals too terrified of the idea of wielding power for good to actually do anything to help
This phrase renders all your words unlistenable. You just said that if a dictator is friendly to you, then they are good. Bye, blocked tankie.
Lol thank you for directly confirming my assertion, all thought terminated because of the phrase! And then you made some shit up that I never came close to saying in order to justify blocking me, but we both know your real motive is to tuck tail and run from an argument you just lost embarassingly.
This is full on playground level rhetoric.
I agree, you are like a petulant toddler unwilling to accept reality because it hurts your feelings. Also didn’t you say you were going to block me? Not that I’m complaining, you might be a fucking moron but you’re more entertaining than my clients and I can easily keep doing this and taking calls all day lol
No, you’re confusing me with someone you were arguing with rather than someone commenting on your debating technique.
Did you think that swearing at me, calling me names and all the anger convinced me I was wrong to suggest that your debating lacked maturity and finesse?
I’m afraid it did the opposite.
You and every other liberal are interchangeable, you’re all equally selfish, morally bankrupt, disingenuous, spineless. You won’t be convinced of anything because you don’t give a shit what the truth is, the only thing that matters to you shitbags is brunch
I’m not a liberal. I’m not even American. Did you think insulting me further would impress me?
It didn’t, by the way.
What are you trying to achieve? Let off steam, or win people round to your point of view? It rather got lost in all the invective.