• RedFrank24@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    If Google is going to lock down my device to the point where I can’t install apps without their permission, I might as well dump Android and go straight to Apple. I sacrificed my phone being good for the openness of the platform, but if Google loses that openness, why shouldn’t I go with Apple?

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      3 hours ago

      Openness isn’t just a nice to have. It is essential.

      The difference between general purpose computing and gatekept walled garden computing is night and day.

      Identifying the devs is not in the “need to know” for Google. Google sells or helps to sell a general purpose open device where it is on us to exploit that device however we will.

      Now Google wants to switch to a walled garden, moderated development model.

      If Google promises it won’t use those dev IDs to moderate development, their promise is only worth the wind it moves and the sound it makes.

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      5 hours ago

      Because the cheapest new iPhone is $600 and you can get a cheap new android phone for around $100-$200 and get 6 years of security updates (Galaxy A16 for example)

      If a smartphone is no longer a computer where you can install whatever you want, why bother investing so much money on a very locked-down phone? You can use the hundred of dollars you saved to spend on a small portable PC or something to run any software you want.

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        5 hours ago

        $600 is pocket change for a phone these days. And for that $600 you’re getting a flagship phone. You couldn’t pay me enough money to put up with a non-flagship. Been there, done that. They’re too slow and frustrating, and apps keep closing due to lack of RAM. Never again. I much rather spend $600-800 on a high-end device that’s a couple of generations old.

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          A $200 phone in 2015 is not the same as a $200 phone in 2025. I know from experience.

          Those phones in 2015 were awful, but in 2025, they feel more like mid-range phones.

          Edit: And $600 is pocket change? Sound like someone lived a privilaged life.

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            4 hours ago

            This 100%

            I have used tracfone since 2012 and only bought phones from their store, sub $150. The budget phones today are so much better than the last 10 years.

            I just can’t wrap my head around sinking that much into a phone when you replace it every year and it cost as much as a decent budget computer, but worse.

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              I just can’t wrap my head around sinking that much into a phone when you replace it every year

              Usually the people who replace their flagship phone every 1 - 2 years aren’t paying full price for it, or at least not upfront. They are receiving trade-in and pre-order discounts, or spreading the cost out over a 12 - 24 month period through a plan with their telco.

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            3 hours ago

            I make $19/hr and live paycheck to paycheck. I’m just being realistic about the current cell phone market.

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              2 hours ago

              Surely cost relative to income is more relevant than cost relative to the rest of the market? Something doesn’t magically become cheap just because everything else is ridiculously expensive.

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      6 hours ago

      Apple hardware has always been a generation ahead. Even when android/qualcom catches up, next generation is out already. The reason to avoid apple was it being a closed system money grab.

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          5 minutes ago

          Credit where credit is due, iOS runs lighter than Android and thus needs less powerful hardware, simply: JVM vs LLVM ObjC

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      The only answer is money at that point. I don’t know how much phones are these days, but aren’t iPhones like $1400, but Android is like $900?

      I may be wrong though. Last time I bought a phone was 2018, and it was $600. Still using it.

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        6 hours ago

        You can get Android phones with reasonable specs around $200. No need for the so called “flagships”.

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            You probably didn’t do it on purpose, but you made a comparison on Apple’s terms, thus implicitly priveleging Apple.

            Last thing Apple needs is us priveleging it.

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              2 hours ago

              I’m just saying Apple doesn’t make anything close to a cheap stripped down $200 model.

              I made the comparison based on feature set. For that you need an android flagship phone. Android DOES make cheap phones…but therexs no 1:1 comparison for Apple.

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                I’m just saying Apple doesn’t make anything close to a cheap stripped down $200 model.

                Yes, I think that’s exactly the point people are trying to make to you.

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        6 hours ago

        I already tend to buy the expensive flagship models of phones. I buy unlocked and it lasts me ~5+ years, so I get the best phone I can get at the time and make it last, so money isn’t as much of an issue if I were to move to an iPhone.