Fuck off and eat shit. How about you use some actual material analysis? Like did you even read your own source?
Perception of Veterans Affairs (VA)
7 in 10 adults say Vietnam veterans have not been treated well by the U.S. government in the years since the Vietnam War. Among veterans, 78% think Vietnam veterans have not been treated well by the government, and 23% think they have been treated well.
…and no where was My Lai mentioned. Americans do not give a shit about what we did to the Vietnamese people. They’re only upset because we lost the war and because they didn’t get to enjoy the spoils of imperialism. I’ll give a fuck Vietnam vets are mistreated by the US government when Vietnam veterans come forward about their war crimes and face the consequences of it.
But yeah sure. We’re the liberals because we think Americans don’t recognize what we did as crimes against humanity. It’s not like there’s a giant-ass memorial to the troops who died in Vietnam. Or that John Kerry’s presidential campaign sank when footage of him throwing his medals surfaced. Or Meghan McCain has a career because she goes on and on about her war criminal father being a POW (something Americans praise him for). Or that the US continues the same behavior it did in Vietnam with enthusiastic support of its population. Or that Vietnam doesn’t get reparations and trials of Americans whoremovedd and murdered their way across the country during an ecoterrorism campaign. Or that Henry Kissinger and Robert McNamara are buried at Arlington with honors instead of an unmarked grave at the bottom of a volcano.
Sure. Let’s ignore all the things Americans say and do (which is avoid calling what we did to Vietnam a crime against humanity on par with the Nazis) and take them at their word they are totally against the Vietnam War for the right reasons and not because it was a personal inconvenience.
Holy fuck are you gonna call us libs for disrespecting the troops next?
Look at your second source. Look at the “not a mistake” percentage start out at 59% in 1965 and slowly walk down to around 40% in 1968 and then around 30% in mid-1971. The “was a mistake” crowd starts at 25% and over the same period walks up to 60%. i.e. it began with domestic popularity, as all US-promoted wars tend to, whip the libs up to fight the enemy, and then deteriorated as consequences built up. Then new narratives were created to cope with this reality. Much like with Iraq, many were apparently always against the war even though a couple years earlier they cheered on the cops against protesters. No concern for the much larger numbers of Vietnamese and Cambodians killed and injured really registered among the US masses, of course, despite the efforts of left organizers. That was never considered a mistake and still isn’t among Americans.
Regarding your first source, it is basically irrelevant. What Americans now think about the US war on Vietnam is entirely propaganda narrative.
There is nothing in “the data” contrary to what I said. Would you like to explain what is liberal about the basic realities of history and explaining your own sources back to you?
you are a liberal
Fuck off and eat shit. How about you use some actual material analysis? Like did you even read your own source?
…and no where was My Lai mentioned. Americans do not give a shit about what we did to the Vietnamese people. They’re only upset because we lost the war and because they didn’t get to enjoy the spoils of imperialism. I’ll give a fuck Vietnam vets are mistreated by the US government when Vietnam veterans come forward about their war crimes and face the consequences of it.
But yeah sure. We’re the liberals because we think Americans don’t recognize what we did as crimes against humanity. It’s not like there’s a giant-ass memorial to the troops who died in Vietnam. Or that John Kerry’s presidential campaign sank when footage of him throwing his medals surfaced. Or Meghan McCain has a career because she goes on and on about her war criminal father being a POW (something Americans praise him for). Or that the US continues the same behavior it did in Vietnam with enthusiastic support of its population. Or that Vietnam doesn’t get reparations and trials of Americans whoremovedd and murdered their way across the country during an ecoterrorism campaign. Or that Henry Kissinger and Robert McNamara are buried at Arlington with honors instead of an unmarked grave at the bottom of a volcano.
Sure. Let’s ignore all the things Americans say and do (which is avoid calling what we did to Vietnam a crime against humanity on par with the Nazis) and take them at their word they are totally against the Vietnam War for the right reasons and not because it was a personal inconvenience.
Holy fuck are you gonna call us libs for disrespecting the troops next?
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Look at your second source. Look at the “not a mistake” percentage start out at 59% in 1965 and slowly walk down to around 40% in 1968 and then around 30% in mid-1971. The “was a mistake” crowd starts at 25% and over the same period walks up to 60%. i.e. it began with domestic popularity, as all US-promoted wars tend to, whip the libs up to fight the enemy, and then deteriorated as consequences built up. Then new narratives were created to cope with this reality. Much like with Iraq, many were apparently always against the war even though a couple years earlier they cheered on the cops against protesters. No concern for the much larger numbers of Vietnamese and Cambodians killed and injured really registered among the US masses, of course, despite the efforts of left organizers. That was never considered a mistake and still isn’t among Americans.
Regarding your first source, it is basically irrelevant. What Americans now think about the US war on Vietnam is entirely propaganda narrative.
There is nothing in “the data” contrary to what I said. Would you like to explain what is liberal about the basic realities of history and explaining your own sources back to you?
idk you really think the USA could win a war at that time and not mythologize it?