Like even Zohran has said explicitly that he doesn’t think his victory will bring socialism but rather at this stage of organization he things electoralism is an effective tool for consciousness-raising and movement-building
an effective tool for consciousness-raising and movement-building
While this is not wrong, I feel like it gives the wrong implications. Demonstrating how Liberals will immediately turn into fascists the second their “passive income” schemes are called into question raises consciousness. Drawing out genocidal billionaire freaks like Bill Ackman into conspiring openly on TWITTER about how to undermine an election raises consciousness. Having the President of the US threaten to deport the leading candidate in a mayoral election with no pushback from the liberal media because they’re too busy trying to extract a loyalty pledge for Israel raises consciousness.
All the Jacobin variety slop about how Zorhan represents a new dawn socialism in America is mostly cope. I don’t think it is helpful to make assumptions about what will happen if he is elected, optimistically or pessimistically though. What makes it worthwhile in my opinion is that it makes it clear who our enemies are. Even Sanders, the decrepit old bum, made these people show how much they completely despise working people. The mountains they moved to ensure universal healthcare would remain off the table completely. They’re normally able to hide it, but in moments like this they reveal themselves like vampires caught in the act. It’s a sight nobody can forget once they see it.
I don’t think we will win much of anything through elections, but periodic demonstrations that bourgeois democrats will kill any genuinely popular and beneficial reform movement is not a complete waste. It prevents them from getting away with the act that they give a shit. Every time it happens, it isolates them. Even figures like AOC and Sanders grow more isolated. At this moment, it’s hard to portray them as misleading the movement, because that would imply they are leading it. They are chained to the sinking ship. The only people who care about their opinions are people who reply to ActBlue robo-texts.
You’ll notice that basically everything he listed doesn’t involve the leftist candidate actually accomplishing anything except scaring liberals, and it’s really the liberals being ghouls that accomplishes the consciousness-raising.
Do you really believe that it doesn’t raise consciousness when socialists get huge microphones to speak to millions of people about how they’re not psychopaths actually, but believe in cool good shit like free transit or government-owned grocery stores?
You’ll notice that he has already begun to capitulate and to change what he advocates for, and as he gets more consumed by the Democratic Party, the rot will accelerate.
AOC started off calling Israel an Apartheid state, now see what her most recent policy insight was.
And I answered it, which is that he started off saying cool things and over time he will use the credibility from saying those cool things to advocate for heinous things and lead his followers down a bad path. They are sheepdogs, they bring people who stray from the mainstream back into the fold.
does anyone seriously think a mayor is going to affect the party’s foreign policy positions? i just want things to improve somewhat.
Like even Zohran has said explicitly that he doesn’t think his victory will bring socialism but rather at this stage of organization he things electoralism is an effective tool for consciousness-raising and movement-building
While this is not wrong, I feel like it gives the wrong implications. Demonstrating how Liberals will immediately turn into fascists the second their “passive income” schemes are called into question raises consciousness. Drawing out genocidal billionaire freaks like Bill Ackman into conspiring openly on TWITTER about how to undermine an election raises consciousness. Having the President of the US threaten to deport the leading candidate in a mayoral election with no pushback from the liberal media because they’re too busy trying to extract a loyalty pledge for Israel raises consciousness.
All the Jacobin variety slop about how Zorhan represents a new dawn socialism in America is mostly cope. I don’t think it is helpful to make assumptions about what will happen if he is elected, optimistically or pessimistically though. What makes it worthwhile in my opinion is that it makes it clear who our enemies are. Even Sanders, the decrepit old bum, made these people show how much they completely despise working people. The mountains they moved to ensure universal healthcare would remain off the table completely. They’re normally able to hide it, but in moments like this they reveal themselves like vampires caught in the act. It’s a sight nobody can forget once they see it.
I don’t think we will win much of anything through elections, but periodic demonstrations that bourgeois democrats will kill any genuinely popular and beneficial reform movement is not a complete waste. It prevents them from getting away with the act that they give a shit. Every time it happens, it isolates them. Even figures like AOC and Sanders grow more isolated. At this moment, it’s hard to portray them as misleading the movement, because that would imply they are leading it. They are chained to the sinking ship. The only people who care about their opinions are people who reply to ActBlue robo-texts.
I genuinely don’t understand what you’re arguing against tbh
Just going off on a tangent, don’t mind me.
You’ll notice that basically everything he listed doesn’t involve the leftist candidate actually accomplishing anything except scaring liberals, and it’s really the liberals being ghouls that accomplishes the consciousness-raising.
Do you really believe that it doesn’t raise consciousness when socialists get huge microphones to speak to millions of people about how they’re not psychopaths actually, but believe in cool good shit like free transit or government-owned grocery stores?
You’ll notice that he has already begun to capitulate and to change what he advocates for, and as he gets more consumed by the Democratic Party, the rot will accelerate.
AOC started off calling Israel an Apartheid state, now see what her most recent policy insight was.
The question was about whether this raises consciousness or not though
And I answered it, which is that he started off saying cool things and over time he will use the credibility from saying those cool things to advocate for heinous things and lead his followers down a bad path. They are sheepdogs, they bring people who stray from the mainstream back into the fold.
He did propose a policy for interfering with the funding and operation of “charities” that are supporting Israel from New York.