that is socialist realism, but an artistic interpretation of a real rocket isn’t sci-fi
Meanwhile, solar-punk focuses on a narrow aspect of society leaving much to interpretation making it compatible with socialism or other social/economic models.
you said right here that solar-punk, an aesthetic that focuses on a sustainable future with a repairing climate is compatible with other social/economic models, or as you said in the title, the nordic model, which is capitalism
that is socialist realism, but an artistic interpretation of a real rocket isn’t sci-fi
Evidently you haven’t seen what a real rocket looks like.
you said right here that solar-punk, an aesthetic that focuses on a sustainable future with a repairing climate is compatible with other social/economic models, or as you said in the title, the nordic model, which is capitalism
What I said is that solar-punk is a superficial aesthetic that has no connection to how a socialist society actually functions. The depictions of farming you used as examples earlier are a perfect example of that. By your own admission, they paint a flawed depiction of the subject. The reason being is that this aesthetic isn’t created by people actually engaged in this type of labour, and who haven’t bothered to even observe it themselves. It’s fundamentally hollow, and as such it’s compatible with all sort of ideologies. Socialist art is political in nature, and its job is to provide a plausible vision for people to rally around.
those who drew the art you posted were not welders, they were not cosmonauts, and did not observe them judging from the look of the rocket. how can you say the same about solarpunk artists from one flawed piece of art?
solar-punk is political in nature, it posits a ecologically sustainable future, a future without capitalism. do you think a sustainable future with a repairing climate is compatible with the nordic model?
Plenty of socialist artists come from these professions, many others have spent time actually studying the subjects and living with the people they portray. You’re just showing your utter ignorance of the subject you’re attempting to debate here.
solar-punk is political in nature, it posits a ecologically sustainable future, a future without capitalism. do you think a sustainable future with a repairing climate is compatible with the nordic model?
I implore you to actually read the comment you’re replying to.
i know artists often have other jobs, i was referring to the art of the welder and the rocket you posted, you can tell it was not made by a cosmonaut judging from the look of the rocket, unless that art piece was made by a cosmonaut?
i have read the comment, you’re saying that solar-punk isn’t fundamentally political, which i don’t see how you think that unless you think combating climate change is fundamentally not a political project, and that a sustainable future is possible without ousting the capitalist hegemony
I have, and my point stands. Solar-punk fails to offer a realistic representation of what a society powered by renewables might look like. For example, this is what real life solar farms look like today in China:
It’s quite clear that solar-punk vastly understates the role of technology that underpins its vision, and creates skewed expectations. It doesn’t discuss how this technology would be produced, completely ignoring the industries and workers that underpin it. In a way, it’s kind of ironic that you picked the dispossessed since that’s basically what we can infer from solar-punk where we see the idyllic society, but we don’t get to see what actually powers it.
Really going to argue this isn’t socialist realism are you?
What does this have to do with anything I said?
that is socialist realism, but an artistic interpretation of a real rocket isn’t sci-fi
you said right here that solar-punk, an aesthetic that focuses on a sustainable future with a repairing climate is compatible with other social/economic models, or as you said in the title, the nordic model, which is capitalism
Evidently you haven’t seen what a real rocket looks like.
What I said is that solar-punk is a superficial aesthetic that has no connection to how a socialist society actually functions. The depictions of farming you used as examples earlier are a perfect example of that. By your own admission, they paint a flawed depiction of the subject. The reason being is that this aesthetic isn’t created by people actually engaged in this type of labour, and who haven’t bothered to even observe it themselves. It’s fundamentally hollow, and as such it’s compatible with all sort of ideologies. Socialist art is political in nature, and its job is to provide a plausible vision for people to rally around.
those who drew the art you posted were not welders, they were not cosmonauts, and did not observe them judging from the look of the rocket. how can you say the same about solarpunk artists from one flawed piece of art?
solar-punk is political in nature, it posits a ecologically sustainable future, a future without capitalism. do you think a sustainable future with a repairing climate is compatible with the nordic model?
Plenty of socialist artists come from these professions, many others have spent time actually studying the subjects and living with the people they portray. You’re just showing your utter ignorance of the subject you’re attempting to debate here.
I implore you to actually read the comment you’re replying to.
i know artists often have other jobs, i was referring to the art of the welder and the rocket you posted, you can tell it was not made by a cosmonaut judging from the look of the rocket, unless that art piece was made by a cosmonaut?
i have read the comment, you’re saying that solar-punk isn’t fundamentally political, which i don’t see how you think that unless you think combating climate change is fundamentally not a political project, and that a sustainable future is possible without ousting the capitalist hegemony
What I’m actually saying is that solar-punk is fundamentally hollow and lacks substance.
so have you engaged with any solar-punk media like the dispossessed by ursula le guin?
I have, and my point stands. Solar-punk fails to offer a realistic representation of what a society powered by renewables might look like. For example, this is what real life solar farms look like today in China:
It’s quite clear that solar-punk vastly understates the role of technology that underpins its vision, and creates skewed expectations. It doesn’t discuss how this technology would be produced, completely ignoring the industries and workers that underpin it. In a way, it’s kind of ironic that you picked the dispossessed since that’s basically what we can infer from solar-punk where we see the idyllic society, but we don’t get to see what actually powers it.