Lawmakers in Florida are raising alarm over documents suggesting immigrant children and pregnant women could be detained at ‘Alligator Alcatraz.’

A draft operational plan obtained by the Miami Herald suggests minors could indeed be transported to the controversial site in the Everglades. The 35-page undated document details protocols to “separate minors from unrelated adults” and to provide “snacks and water” to minors, pregnant women and detainees with medical conditions during transport.

“The State of Florida is planning to send pregnant women and children to the ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ detention camp,” wrote State Senator Carlos Guillermo Smith on social media. “This is totally un-American. We cannot be silent.”

  • CXORA@aussie.zone
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    A lot of our culture accepts and promotes the idea that men are inherently dangerous.

    It is a depressing reality that to most people men (as a social class) are less important than others.

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      That’s what I guess gets me. Of course we want to protect those that are even more at risk, but why does it take it going that far to talk about the fact that there is risk for anyone being held under such conditions?

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      I think it’s nice actually that we can recognize that pregnant women and children are more vulnerable groups of people that sometimes require more protection than men. I say that as a man.

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        I for one am glad that at least some on the right are still reachable on this matter.

        But if they were okay with subjecting men they deem less than to this, it’s still rather alarming, since it’s not that much of a leap to then pushing pregnant women and children into the same conditions, if they are considered part of the same group.

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        I second this. I am nowhere near as vulnerable as a pregnant woman or a child. I choose to put myself below them, as they are in the position of such vulnerability. I’m personally okay with that.

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        Yep, there is not a big cabal of pregnant women having concentration caps built to hold white men. Not all men are dangerous, but more are than pregnant women.

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          So based on that statistic, we should treat them differently? This line of thinking leads to some very bad places.

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            Recognising that some portions of the population are at higher risk leads to better outcomes for them if we follow where that thinking leads. The idea that all men are persecuted as men are more likely to take others rights, in a patriarchy where women have less rights, pay and justice is ridiculous.

            Men should not be assumed guilty. Most aren’t and never will be. However, we should recognise those who are at risk and place protections for them. Lack of protections for those that are higher risk is not the same as selectively prosecuting them, which is your implication.

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            I guess this is what I’m trying to convey - remember that even the Nazis did not go full Nazi immediately. It was incremental.

            Let’s say these camps end up killing some fraction of men, “accidentally”, and possibly ramp up to more intentional things, like working people to death and even worse. At some point, the monsters are going to look around and still see “undesirables” in the remaining family members…meaning pregnant women and children.

            They can inch things along as far as the circle of concern goes. The minute someone does the, “well, but it’s men, and of course we wouldn’t do this to pregnant women and children!” I cannot help but wonder where this is going…especially once all the men are “deported” or put into these camps. Where does the rest of their family go, anyway? Who is providing for them? If their provider was kidnapped and imprisoned, it’s not like these vulnerable people are going to have their lives enriched even if they are not being put in concentration camps…