My half-year-old alt AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com got banned a few hours ago. There’s been an adminwave over the past hours banning pro-socialist viewpoints, locking posts, etc.
Just wondering: how long will it be until they flip the switch from “tankies are genocide supporters!” to “of course I knew there was nothing going on” as it happened with the WMD accusations against Iraq? How long until the Uyghur “repression” gets treated the way Nayirah’s testimony is treated now (i.e. just forgotten from western discourse)?
It’s exhausting trying to reason with libs, even bringing evidence such as the re-education camps closing by 2022 by western-media accounts, sharing news segments essentially saying “yeah, the camps are closed, but at what cost?”, and getting banned because thought-termination is encouraged when the word “genocide” pops up? Haven’t they learnt anything from the actual genocide in Palestine?
The same people who enact and celebrate these bans will cry rivers of tears at the moderation policy in Hexbear with topics such as transphobia, while themselves suppressing anything outside their western-manufactured Overton windows.
This is just a rant, but it’s honestly depressing and exhausting trying to argue in good faith (I believe there needs to be an informed socialist presence in broader Lemmy and not just in Hexbear) and receiving either “ruzzian orc” accusations or outright bans. I just want you to have healthcare and to stop murdering brown children, for fuck’s sake
They’ll only do this when it becomes convenient for them. They need the masses to be frothing at the mouth with racism against China, so they won’t let go of any of their claims against them.
We’ll see the west turn on Ukraine and start talking about how they “knew they were nazis all along” long before we see them give up their claims against China. Even if the majority of people no longer believe it, it still paints a “China bad/China is probably up to something in the region” seed in people’s heads.
I don’t think the public will turn to “knew they were nazis all along” regarding Ukraine in the following decade. That would imply saying that the geopolitical position of your adversary was correct, and that’s not something the west wants to do tbh. I see it much more likely that the discourse will be “we didn’t help enough, that’s why they lost, Ruzzia forced them to turn Nazi, and we can prevent this for the next time by increasing military expenditure to 150% of GDP”. It’s kinda what they do with WW2 Finland: “you see, they did join the Nazis, but that’s completely justified because the Soviets attacked them first”.
You’re right, it’ll probably be framed as “Russia made them nazis” and then they’ll reference articles from before the war talking about Ukrainian nazis without a hint of irony.
I don’t think any of them ever looked into it that much in the first place, same for Ughyurs, and as time goes by they still won’t. It’s not a large enough issue to warrant an Iraq-esque reversal. Ukraine is a proxy war, Ughyurs are just a small footnote in American propaganda against China.
When it all blows over and we are all proven right, they won’t even care enough to discuss it. They’ll look at you like you’re being a weirdo for even bringing it up, and then they’ll say hey, I don’t know the details, I’m sure both sides did bad things, but that was the past. Let’s just move on!
How often do all the cold war proxy wars across Africa and Latin America reach mainstream discourse these days? Pretty much never. You get IRAN contra sometimes, and Cuba - because their cold war is still ongoing.