Russia and China are unlikely to provide direct military support, but they obviously aren’t going to stand by and provide both political and material support. China wasn’t engaged in Ukraine directly either, but certainly wouldn’t say they just stood by this whole time either.
It’s pretty clear that there was no saving Syria, but what’s happening there now isn’t exactly a big win for the west either. The whole country is a powder keg, and in a state of civil war. The west is now stuck pouring resources into propping up yet another proxy. Also, not sure what you mean regarding Hezbollah. Last I checked they were still around and doing fine.
They helped stabilize Russian economy, replaced sanctioned goods, and gave access to a lot of tech such as drones and chips that are necessary for modern military production.
They helped stabilize Russian economy, replaced sanctioned goods, and gave access to a lot of tech such as drones and chips that are necessary for modern military production
What special measures did the PRC take in the case of this war? Or are you talking about standard trade between Russia and the PRC that was already taking place?
EDIT: In case you were simply referring to trade, then it can also be said that the PRC contributed to NATO’s effort by trading with them.
To my knowledge, the PRC didn’t do anything special here, as the PRC didn’t even ignore the sanctions.
The PRC did not ignore the sanctions. Some of the trade did get shut down because of the sanctions.
On the other hand, NATO didn’t completely stop trading with Russia. Does that mean that NATO also contributed to the war effort against itself and should be thanked for that?
Yeah they very much ignored the sanctions, particularly on oil and gas, as well as on exporting high tech to Russia. If you genuinely can’t see the difference between NATO trade with Russia and China there’s really no point continuing this discussion.
They didn’t, and I’m not sure why you keep claiming this. In particular, PRC’s banks are often mentioned as refusing to work with Russia because of the sanctions.
If you genuinely can’t see the difference between NATO trade with Russia and China there’s really no point continuing this discussion
What I am trying to understand is what you meant when you said that the PRC didn’t just sit this one out. So far, you have only mentioned trade that was already happening instead of being some sort of special measure done to support Russia in the war, and which the PRC has also been conducting with NATO (and the PRC seems to have mostly been trading with NATO). This trade also most likely benefits the PRC much more, as Russia is a semi-peripheral state that relies on exporting natural resources (rather than manufacturing and using or exporting finished goods).
If your claim to the PRC supposedly taking an active part in this war was by doing what it was already doing (trading with Russia on better terms than NATO’s), then it’s fair to conclude that the PRC opted to stand by and let things happen (especially considering that it did let its companies refuse to deal with Russia on the basis of the sanctions). Considering that the PRC trades more with NATO than with Russia, by your logic we could conclude that the PRC has been helping NATO this whole time - including in the context of this war.
Russia can’t help Iran because they are already fully committed to Ukraine. They can’t afford another front.
China, however, very likely helped Iran in electronic warfare, both helping Iran target missiles or by jamming iron dome’s electronics. They will never admit this, but we might discover their capabilities in the future.
“Russia and China will not stand by as their ally is destroyed” yeah no, this feels like cope to me
Russia and China are unlikely to provide direct military support, but they obviously aren’t going to stand by and provide both political and material support. China wasn’t engaged in Ukraine directly either, but certainly wouldn’t say they just stood by this whole time either.
A lot of good that did Syria in the end. Or Hezbollah. It’s cope.
It’s pretty clear that there was no saving Syria, but what’s happening there now isn’t exactly a big win for the west either. The whole country is a powder keg, and in a state of civil war. The west is now stuck pouring resources into propping up yet another proxy. Also, not sure what you mean regarding Hezbollah. Last I checked they were still around and doing fine.
How did the PRC contribute?
They helped stabilize Russian economy, replaced sanctioned goods, and gave access to a lot of tech such as drones and chips that are necessary for modern military production.
What special measures did the PRC take in the case of this war? Or are you talking about standard trade between Russia and the PRC that was already taking place?
EDIT: In case you were simply referring to trade, then it can also be said that the PRC contributed to NATO’s effort by trading with them.
To my knowledge, the PRC didn’t do anything special here, as the PRC didn’t even ignore the sanctions.
The special measure they took was to ignore western edict on cutting trade with Russia. That was literally the deciding factor in this war.
The PRC did not ignore the sanctions. Some of the trade did get shut down because of the sanctions.
On the other hand, NATO didn’t completely stop trading with Russia. Does that mean that NATO also contributed to the war effort against itself and should be thanked for that?
Yeah they very much ignored the sanctions, particularly on oil and gas, as well as on exporting high tech to Russia. If you genuinely can’t see the difference between NATO trade with Russia and China there’s really no point continuing this discussion.
They didn’t, and I’m not sure why you keep claiming this. In particular, PRC’s banks are often mentioned as refusing to work with Russia because of the sanctions.
What I am trying to understand is what you meant when you said that the PRC didn’t just sit this one out. So far, you have only mentioned trade that was already happening instead of being some sort of special measure done to support Russia in the war, and which the PRC has also been conducting with NATO (and the PRC seems to have mostly been trading with NATO). This trade also most likely benefits the PRC much more, as Russia is a semi-peripheral state that relies on exporting natural resources (rather than manufacturing and using or exporting finished goods).
If your claim to the PRC supposedly taking an active part in this war was by doing what it was already doing (trading with Russia on better terms than NATO’s), then it’s fair to conclude that the PRC opted to stand by and let things happen (especially considering that it did let its companies refuse to deal with Russia on the basis of the sanctions). Considering that the PRC trades more with NATO than with Russia, by your logic we could conclude that the PRC has been helping NATO this whole time - including in the context of this war.
Russia can’t help Iran because they are already fully committed to Ukraine. They can’t afford another front.
China, however, very likely helped Iran in electronic warfare, both helping Iran target missiles or by jamming iron dome’s electronics. They will never admit this, but we might discover their capabilities in the future.