And I’m not talking about the ones in power, more the rank and file.
I speculated this wrecking ball approach to the US economy was an attempt to destabilize the world and marshall the forces of violent fascism, and make the battle for hegemony one of attrition since the Us no longer sees itself capable of competing with China’s manufacturing capabilities.
So, like, what does the average Joe think? That while everything around him comes crumbling down, all the trans and blacks will at least be put in their place?
I’m wondering if the debate around the seemingly confusing motivations are due to…too much of a materialist approach? I think it’s either that or absolutism when it comes to the dialectic and taking these thoughts to their logical conclusions
Thanks to the conversation I had with my barber yesterday, the real problem is high taxes, wasteful government spending, and trans people playing sports. Before you tell me to get a different barber, all the barbers around here are more or less like that. Libs in contrast will say that everything will be better if we can just get rid of drumpf, it doesn’t matter if reanimated zombie hitler is the one who replaces him.
everyone involved in that exchange was white
Based on what trumpanzees I know are saying, they genuinely believe the tariffs will help reindustrialize the US based on vibes. One of them posted this meme.
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Nothing. The tarrif thing is mostly viewed as “happening over there” and nothing to think about.
So, like, what does the average Joe think?
Check out whichever grifter they watch online, they’ll regurgitate whatever they’re saying about it.
Check out whichever grifter they watch online, they’ll regurgitate whatever they’re saying about it.
Yeah, definitely true on this. Chuds are
Not just chuds but libs and anyone else you might consider the ‘average Joe’ too. The last few years, when everyone just collectively decided to ignore the reasons for the war in Ukraine, followed by the mainstream support for Israel’s genocide, have completely destroyed my faith in people thinking for themselves. They believe whatever they are told, period, and the ones that know better tow the line anyway to avoid being the outsider. It disgusts me. All these people are capable of is regurgitating and propping up the mainstream narrative.
When I say grifters in my above comment, I consider news outlets to be among them.
Just saw a TikTok saying that he’s crashing the economy to make interest rates come down and that he’s “playing the long game”
So, like, what does the average Joe think
idk but chud average joes think it’s awesome and will magically create jobs
why are they pointing the job cannons at employed civilians?
My chud mom thinks it’s going to bring back manufacturing.
I explained that it can’t do that on its own, that it’s chaotic and bad for business, that it would require a decade-long plan for developing infrastructure and training people, and that while it think it’s a good idea to make such a goal, this way will cause pain and problems. She just shrugged
that it would require a decade-long plan for developing infrastructure and training people
it could have been done faster and with zero hardship via a little secret I like to call “planning ahead”.
I think what is going to happen is an increase in trade between non US countries and buisnesses see more dollars that way. Instesd of rehoming buisnesses to inside the US, this could have quite the oppoisite effect and cause buisnesses to up root and flee.
Quite possibly!
The rank and file have a baby’s understanding of global economics. Asking what they think about it is pointless because it won’t make any sense anyway.
Flip the chessboard, use your financial power to pick up pieces quicker than your opponents with less financial power.
Personally I think fucking over Europe continues to be the US’ biggest priority. That shit began with Ukraine, continued with Nordstream, and continues if this all crashes because the US will buy up European industries at a discount before Europe realise what is even happening.
It won’t be the first time either. Our exploitation of Europe is 1) what allowed Hitler to rise to power after WW1, and 2) what eventually led to the end of The Bretton Woods Agreement after WW2.
Europe has been a patsy for America for a very long time, and they will continue to be a patsy until it collapses.
If that’s their plan, they’re definitely not going about it the right way. For most European countries, the chances that they’d be willing to let vital industries be sold to the US has changed from at least some possibility to actually impossible under Trump. He’s practically forced everyone to become more protectionist.
the chances that they’d be willing to let vital industries be sold to the US has changed from at least some possibility to actually impossible under Trump.
You underestimate europe. They can and will beat you in the game of limbo even if the bar is set in hell.
It doesn’t work like that though. They’re capitalist countries who function on the same logic as capitalist countries everywhere else.
Tell them to slash welfare to fund imperalist wars and they’ll preach about international solidarity and the rules-based order while gleefully taking their citizens money. Tell them to just tank their economies and ruin their capitalist class and that speech switches to the importance of nationalism and self-sufficiency in a heartbeat.
Tell them to just tank their economies and ruin their capitalist class and that speech switches to the importance of nationalism and self-sufficiency in a heartbeat.
They can and are switching to talk of nationalism and self-sufficiency. They don’t have the slightest ability to back it up at all. And experience shows that Trump gets what he wants while liberals and Europeans fold like paper, because neither of them are willing or capable of building the infrastructure necessary to actually be self sufficient and fight against Trump’s erratic bullying. There is a very real possibility that America plaza accords the EU because just like Japan, a vassal state does not have the right to pursue a genuinely nationalistic path (not that I would prefer European nationalism).
In fact, if the EU wanted to pursue actual self sufficiency, they would have started 10 years ago, abandoned neoliberalism and implemented a comprehensive industrial policy (while developing European alternatives to American tech). Instead, we are seeing a wide spread austerity and de-industrialization program unprecedented since the thatcherism.
And experience shows that Trump gets what he wants while liberals and Europeans fold like paper
This is just not true at all though. Biden and Obama were both much better at getting Europe to do what they wanted than Trump during his first term. When has Trump being some geo-political mastermind able to bully other countries into submission been anything but a conservative fantasy? He is not even going to get Canada to play ball, let alone all of Europe.
To say that they don’t have the ability to resist just giving away their industries is bizzare. You would have to give them genuinely zero other options to survive first, and while Europe is stagnant like most first-world economies, it’s still an obscenely wealthy and un-proportionally influential region of the world. It’s facing slow economic decline, but it’s not in any danger of collapsing anytime soon. To say otherwise just feels like wishful thinking.
Europe is going to decline, that’s basically certain, and their relationship with the US souring is going to be a part of that. But it will be slow, as more and more thirld-word countries rise out of poverty and are able to push Europe out of its unique position on the global stage. It’s not going to be because they give away all their shit to the US because they couldn’t resist Trump’s secret genius.
When has Trump being some geo-political mastermind able to bully other countries into submission been anything but a conservative fantasy?
You don’t have to be a geo-political genius to do anything if this. Trump’s strategies are crude, but they work because the Europeans are vassals of America.
To say that they don’t have the ability to resist just giving away their industries is bizzare.
It’s not as if they are going to airlift their factories and plop them onto America. However, Europeans are panicking over these tariffs and are even trying turn towards china to get access to markers. If Europeans fail to gain Chinese favor, their industrial decline will further accelerate and American capital will be rid of a competitor capital. It could then expand even further into Europe (American FDI is already 1/3rd the size of the European stock market).
but it’s not in any danger of collapsing anytime soon. To say otherwise just feels like wishful thinking.
I would respectfully disagree. The foundations of the EU have been rapidly rotting ever since covid (and were slowly rotting since the GFC). After the crises in 2008, 2014, then 2020, then 2022 (ukraine and nordstream), there are only so many shocks that the EU can take before the populists dismantle it.
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I’ve seen more than one come in with “He’s just playing the long game, wait and see.”
Trust the plan, patriots are in control.
This is the chud equivalent of “Can’t wait to see Drumpf try wriggling his way out of this mess.”
Just wait a little bit more and he’ll prove he’s actually a genius
I said this with Kayne and was rather disappointed with the outcome.
I try to see the good in everything. While Kanye was a piece of shit for what he said, he did unintentionally (big emphasis on unintentionally) manage to point out the hypocrisy western media has.
Jerry Seinfeld and Amy Schumer could say the same horrific shit about arabs / Palestinians and never got their bank accounts closed or became social pariahs.
Until someone else gets power and can immediately be blamed for the damage
People will hang on for a long time as long as there is a ‘common sense’ narrative for why it has to be so. Just look at Mileil, he is still popular despite running the Argentinian economy into the ground since there is a narrative that it needs to be done.
Oh man, this remided me of a thread on Hacker News from a couple of months ago when Mileil rugpulled a memecoin. So many people defending him on the grounds that he’s “done good for the Argentinian economy.” He can’t do bad in these people’s eyes, truly. One commenter even praised him getting rid of erroneous spending like rent control.
They are eating up the “well other countries do X!” Narrative, not understanding trade imbalances thinking other counties would by American 1:1 if it wasn’t for the imbalances or economic protections those nations have.
Some are buying this theory that the dollar’s purchasing power increases at times of historical high inflation refrencig dates hudreds of years ago before the globalization interconnected scheme we have now. Before BRICS was a thing. They seem oblivious to how the modern world is different, and how we are FIAT and not on the gold stardard anymore.
They also have selective amnesia that Trump is the one who put the current trade agreements in place, especially with reguards to Mexico and Canada.
Basically a bunch of
this theory that the dollar’s purchasing power increases at times of historical high inflation
Ok how? “Higher taxes cause lower prices actually” is not something I would have expected from the right
Idk. For whom? Is how I responded. Just one of the theories CHUD co workers have been floating.
chuds have 3 categories
- cattle
- racist
- “tolerant” nationalist
cattle - followers who just wanna be part of something. Most POC chuds are of this group, a few 300-IQ ones are pretending in order to infiltrate the mayos (yes IQ isn’t real)
racist - want “day of the rope” from camp of the saints and lie about it through their teeth 24/7. These are the ones from 4chan/imageboards. Also bleeds into some POC cattle-chuds who think their race is magically less targeted than the other races and always
when leopards leopard“tolerant” nationalist - is ok with Black people and whatever legal immigrants came up until this point, but does not want anymore, and also doesn’t actually care if these people get d3ported. Wants to oppress people of other nations, often irrespective of race and more based on practicality
The cattle don’t address the tariffs because they are stupid
The racists like them because they will do anything including killing their own offspring for the race, but only the ones directed at China/India
The nationalists like them because they think it’ll be good for America in the long run (actual nationalism is a dead paradigm, this makes them stupid as well)
