• Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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    1 year ago

    27 year minimum sentences are already insanity. If the justice system is supposed to be corrective rather than vengeful, there’s nothing to be gained from these overly long sentences. No one’s willingness to commit a crime is going to change with a 22 year sentence vs. a 33 year sentence, and the offender is no more likely to reform in years 23-33 than they were in years 12-22.

    22 years is A LONG TIME. So long that they’re almost certainly going to have fully adapted to prison life as “normal” long before it ends, and long enough that no one would ever consider it a reasonable cost for potential reward. Someone getting a two-decade sentence was entirely counting on not getting caught/charged.

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      1 year ago

      I’m all for keeping him in there for longer, simply for the purpose of keeping him out of circulation. Doesn’t hurt my feelings that he’s going to be in his 60’s before he gets out.

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        1 year ago

        This. In ordinary cases, I might be for leniency / shorter sentences. However, these people are very dangerous. They are home-grown terrorists and a message has to be sent others who have similar ideas about civil war and/or insurrection in support of fascists like donnie. Keeping people like this out of civilization for a very long timeout is critical.

            • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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              When it a group I think it’s called reeducation, which is arguably needed.

              These people’s entire ideology is based on the lies of trickle down economics, rage culture, sexism, and racism. Whatever education they got, it wasn’t enough to make them realize how stupid and incorrect their ideas are.

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      22 years ago was 2001. So the equivalent time from 9/11 to now in prison.

      Doesn’t seem like enough to me. I mean I went from 30 something to 50 something, I still have life in front of me.

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        If your desire is for him to not have any life in front of him, then your goal for the prison system is neither to prevent crime nor to rehabilitate criminals. Just admit it’s bloodthirstiness and execute the wrongdoers.

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          Attempting to overthrow the government should be a life term or near enough to it.

          It helps that he can’t vote for the next 5 presidential elections and on release will no longer be allowed to own guns, but 22 years doesn’t seem like enough.

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              I just wonder what the rehabilitation plan is for someone like this. How do you bring a leader of a group like this back to being a normal citizen? And what will the alt right call it even if it were attempted? Liberal/Communist indoctrination?

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                  …and 5 in 6 being < 20

                  I’m not saying it’s perfectly in line but it’s not one everyone in prison is doing life

                  • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
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                    1 year ago

                    You would expect most inmates, even in a retributive system, to not have done anything worthy of a max-length sentence. That most sentences are not two decades long doesn’t really mean much. You’d expect that in any system short of North Korea.

                    The US is way out of the norm for its prison lengths and number of people imprisoned, because people like the retributive feel of long sentences. The >20 year sentences are entirely pointless, but the sentences below that are frequently for crimes that would never warrant such a long sentence elsewhere. Norway, which has a maximum sentence of 21 years, has an average incarceration length of 8 months. In the United States, the average incarceration is 63 months (5 years).