Just calling a spade a spade. The guy is right wing and I find that funny because it was imo the most likely outcome.
It seems like you’re advocating for a sort of “live and let live” approach to organizing, which I understand when it’s about MLs tolerating anarchists and vice versa. But willfully ignoring fascist tendencies, well, ends up with fascists on your side. Which is just as toxic as the things you’re worried about.
The best path is to be brutally, honestly aware about each and every potential ally and make an assessment from the facts of that person and the situation you’re in. There is no absolute way about it and every path has traps.
It seems like you’re advocating for a sort of “live and let live” approach to organizing, which I understand when it’s about MLs tolerating anarchists and vice versa. But willfully ignoring fascist tendencies, well, ends up with fascists on your side. Which is just as toxic as the things you’re worried about.
Yeah except I’m not. If I was to fully describe the irony that is happening here it is this: “Hexbear culture is now seemingly tolerating if not out and out celebrating a fascist for something he’s done, but will not tolerate a fascist in order to get them to do something they would find worthy of celebration.”
For a culture that says “there can be no compromise with fascists”, they have certainly found one, and they refuse to not only admit it, but they will continue to refuse the idea whose logical ends they are effectively cheering on.
Likewise the online inter ML/anarchist hatred is mostly based on aesthetics and vibes. That makes the issue of online ML/anarchist collaboration effectively the same problem as MLs cheering on a fascist for doing something they like, while pretending that they’ll be able to hang every fascist in the US all 320M of them.
For a culture that says “there can be no compromise with fascists”, they have certainly found one, and they refuse to not only admit it, but they will continue to refuse the idea whose logical ends they are effectively cheering on.
Just calling a spade a spade. The guy is right wing and I find that funny because it was imo the most likely outcome.
It seems like you’re advocating for a sort of “live and let live” approach to organizing, which I understand when it’s about MLs tolerating anarchists and vice versa. But willfully ignoring fascist tendencies, well, ends up with fascists on your side. Which is just as toxic as the things you’re worried about.
The best path is to be brutally, honestly aware about each and every potential ally and make an assessment from the facts of that person and the situation you’re in. There is no absolute way about it and every path has traps.
Yeah except I’m not. If I was to fully describe the irony that is happening here it is this: “Hexbear culture is now seemingly tolerating if not out and out celebrating a fascist for something he’s done, but will not tolerate a fascist in order to get them to do something they would find worthy of celebration.”
For a culture that says “there can be no compromise with fascists”, they have certainly found one, and they refuse to not only admit it, but they will continue to refuse the idea whose logical ends they are effectively cheering on.
Likewise the online inter ML/anarchist hatred is mostly based on aesthetics and vibes. That makes the issue of online ML/anarchist collaboration effectively the same problem as MLs cheering on a fascist for doing something they like, while pretending that they’ll be able to hang every fascist in the US all 320M of them.
I think I misinterpreted your original comment but I completely agree with your conclusion,
Same
Get they asses.
I think I agree with you but what do you think is the correct course of action here?