He got me to read the Manifesto and would have hours’ long debates with our social-democratic roommate and now this. It’s really shaking me up a bit.

He is on the whole defeatist ‘nothing will fundamentally shake the imperial machine so might as well pick the wardog with better domestic policies’ tip. I want to get through to him but I am getting stuck.

For example:

i also refuse to not vote my conscience but i figured this time its not like doing this abstract process to pick if id prefer -100 points vs -200 points is gonna matter that much if i genuinely believe itll even be slightly better under kamala i might as well

kitty-birthday-sad

    • robinn_ [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      221·
      17 days ago

      I think I’ll listen to the future commandHER in chief:

      As Vice President, [Kamala] supported the bipartisan border security bill, the strongest reform in decades. The legislation would have deployed more detection technology to intercept fentanyl and other drugs and added 1,500 border security agents to protect our border [and resumed and expanded border wall construction]. After Donald Trump killed the border deal for his political gain, she and President Biden took action on their own — and now border crossings are at the lowest level in 4 years, their administration is seizing record amounts of fentanyl, and secured funding for the most significant increase in border agents in ten years. As President, she will bring back the bipartisan border security bill and sign it into law. (from her website)

      paid-for-by-kamala-harris: “Um hello I hate immigrants more than Trump and justify this with drug hysteria while refusing to look at the root causes, if you vote for me I WILL increase harm and I WILL make the lives of oppressed people worse, something Trump is too NARCISSISTIC to do for our country”

      maybe-later-kiddo: “Um wow I’m going to vote for you to reduce harm and keep oppressed people safe”

      • transscribe7891@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        16 days ago

        project 2025 will help billionaires take away our ability to unionize. it will help SCOTUS and lower courts pass anti-abortion and anti-trans laws, leading to countless deaths (children included) and suicide. it already has in some states. it will gut public education. it will extend mass surveillance. and so much more.

        yes, their foreign policy is the typical establishment bullshit. but domestically, we need to secure our freedoms to protest and unionize at the ballot box if we want to continue to be able to protest in the streets.

        • robinn_ [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          81·
          16 days ago

          Proj 2025 is going to be implemented by Trump?* Waow I should vote for the party that conspired to elevate him in the Republican Party so he or an equivalent could be the Republican nominee in 2016!!

          *No, it isn’t.

          And you haven’t addressed what Kamala is actually saying.

        • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          52·
          16 days ago

          Biden literally crushed unions but go off king. The supreme court overturned roe v wade and nobody gives a shit. Kamala doesn’t give a shit about LGBTQ people, what an ally she is

          it will gut public education. it will extend mass surveillance. and so much more.

          Yeah, just like the dems. More money for cops, less money for schools, let’s go patriot act, let’s go surveillance state.

          our freedoms to protest

          Lmao they beat the shit out of college kids this year for protesti-

          at the ballot box

          Ah yeah of course that’s the only one that matters - the one that doesn’t do anything.

          if we want to continue to be able to protest in the streets.

          What a wonderful system where there’s two choices and if you pick the wrong one (alongside half the population) then the system is torn down, so you have to pick the other one. Let’s never stop and look back to 50 years ago when people were already pointing out the flaws in that argument

          The only difference between the two is that Trump is rude on twitter and you care when he does the things they all do. Wish you’d pay as much attention when it’s a democrat instead of going back to brunch.

          Also

          Foreign policy

          It’s not “bad” it’s a GENOCIDE YOU FUCKING GHOUL.